Twin Peaks Thread - S1&2 + Return + Fire Walk With Me

Well, to each their own, I guess! I saw FWWM in 1992, and I loved it! I felt it really focused on Laura's suffering and the domestic tragedy of the Palmers. It seemed to me that Lynch really wanted to tell her story, since in the series she was merely a corpse, a ghost. I felt a lot of sympathy, compassion for her. I also think that Sheryl Lee gave a fearless performance. But one man's garbage is another man's treasure and all that, right?

I also think that Chrysta Bell (Tammy) was, um, not good in The Return, as far as acting, but she is an artist/musician, not an actress, so I don't hold that against her and didn't mind her character. She is beautiful, though, I agree.

I hear ya.

However, if you watched it with 25 year old eyes and on the heals of the tv series, I'm thinking that could really blind one. Might have done me as well if I saw it back then. If you have time or the inclination, re-view it perhaps.

I hear ya.

However, if you watched it with 25 year old eyes and on the heals of the tv series, I'm thinking that could really blind one. Might have done me as well if I saw it back then. If you have time or the inclination, re-view it perhaps.

Well, I was some years younger than twenty-five when I saw the movie, and though I liked the original series, a lot, I wasn’t crazy about it at the time. I was always more of a David Lynch fan than a Twin Peaks fan. Also, I bought the Twin Peaks DVDs and the FWWM DVD in the nineties. I have probably watched the movie at least 10 times over the last twenty-five years since I first saw it in the theater with my brother (a HUGE fan of the series). In fact, I just watched it a few months ago with my SO during our watch of Twin Peaks: The Return.

I still love the movie. Yes, now it looks a bit dated and the budget wasn’t great, but it still resonates with me.

But I get it. You think it’s trash, and that is fine with me. We can disagree about it!

I just need to find the time to rewatch some of the new episodes.

I finished Fire Walk With Me last night. I actually liked Sheryl Lee's performance, like Doppleganger* I thought she did a good job as a person who is driven mad by her circumstances. Her scream is one that stays with me as a horror film scene.

I think the end of The Return marks Cooper's failure as a shaman for the second time around, but I don't think it's completely negative as the Wheel spins around again and he'll get another chance which is why it ends with Laura whispering in his ear.

"See you in 25 years" would be my guess for what she says.

*What an appropriate username for this thread!

*cough* https://solarmoviez.to/movie/twin-peaks-...20770.html  *cough*

Big thanks again for this link. I've now watched the rest of it. I loved it, but I don't have much of a clue what was going on. I don't think it's always good to have everything explained, but I'd have liked a bit more explanation than we got. Now I'll never know what the hideous frog/insect mutant was up to.

Let's hope Laura was whispering "See you again next year." But I doubt it. 

Here's a view of the last episode, including some arcane clues from past episodes that passed me by:
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/09/twin-pe...201872863/

Appropriately, it's complete with a comment saying that the author has missed the point, from someone who knows better ...

Here's a view of the last episode, including some arcane clues from past episodes that passed me by:
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/09/twin-pe...201872863/

Appropriately, it's complete with a comment saying that the author has missed the point, from someone who knows better ...

Heh, I do think the author sort of missed the point. :-)

Would it really make sense that after so much messaging about the folly of trying to recapture the past that the grand plan was to send Dale Cooper on a time travel mission?

My friend & I figured Dale was supposed to, upon defeating BOB, try to fight against the root cause of Evil - the frailty within ourselves. The Black Lodge, or rather its low level inhabitants, can only infect us to the degree with which we pursue Evil (BOB originally arrives with the explosion of the atom bomb and the occult work of Parsons).

Dale instead decides to play action hero, and thereby suffers defeat once again just as his failure the first time 25 years ago led to the emergence of Dark Coop.

Or, at least, that's my theory and OBVIOUSLY I'm 100% right. 

Heh, I do think the author sort of missed the point. :-)

Would it really make sense that after so much messaging about the folly of trying to recapture the past that the grand plan was to send Dale Cooper on a time travel mission?

My friend & I figured Dale was supposed to, upon defeating BOB, try to fight against the root cause of Evil - the frailty within ourselves. The Black Lodge, or rather its low level inhabitants, can only infect us to the degree with pursue Evil (BOB originally arrives with the explosion of the atom bomb and the occult work of Parsons).

Dale instead decides to play action hero, and thereby suffers defeat once again just as his failure the first time 25 years ago led to the emergence of Dark Coop.

Or, at least, that's my theory and OBVIOUSLY I'm 100% right. 

I just wonder whether a lot of the details are meant to make sense, or whether there's an element of Hitchcock's "MacGuffins" - things that are just there to move the plot along, without possessing any intrinsic logic. I mean, Major Briggs's gigantic head floating through space whispering "Blue Rose" is such a wonderful image that I can believe they came up with it first, and only included an explanation of the phrase as an afterthought.

But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there's a reason for everything - even Lucy's jacket being decorated with giant liquorice allsorts.

I dunno... when I watch a movie or a series I interpret things pretty much at the basic meat and potatoes storytelling level. You know, on a 1 to 5 star thing. Either I was really entertained or I wasn't

However some movies that stray from the usual storytelling formula and are more arcane, plot twisty, surreal, etc. will find me going on line searching for a sort of closure the mind demands.

There I'll find enough pedantry to fill ten football stadiums. I mean, I'm utterly amazed at all the hidden metaphors, meanings, plot associations, etc these people come up with when all the while I was just thinking... wow, that was a great movie, or, man that sucked! lol.

Man, it makes me feel real dumb, lol

Having said that most of the movies I've collected are of the more 'bizarre' quality rather than formulaic

What's worse is while watching a series like S3 of Twin Peaks, people are referring back to all this minutiae from episodes from 25 bloody years ago! Bad enough people do this in current ongoing series..."when so and so did this thing here in the 6th season, it's because so and so did that in season 1. WTF??!!

What's worse is while watching a series like S3 of Twin Peaks, people are referring back to all this minutiae from episodes from 25 bloody years ago! Bad enough people do this in current ongoing series..."when so and so did this thing here in the 6th season, it's because so and so did that in season 1. WTF??!!

Just be thankful it's not Doctor Who, where they'll quote a phrase used by Patrick Troughton 45 years ago, just to keep the fans happy - and a large proportion of them will instantly recognise it.

I just wonder whether a lot of the details are meant to make sense, or whether there's an element of Hitchcock's "MacGuffins" - things that are just there to move the plot along, without possessing any intrinsic logic. I mean, Major Briggs's gigantic head floating through space whispering "Blue Rose" is such a wonderful image that I can believe they came up with it first, and only included an explanation of the phrase as an afterthought.

But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there's a reason for everything - even Lucy's jacket being decorated with giant liquorice allsorts.

Yeah. I'm more of the mind movies or series such as TP have much in common with song lyrics. Most of the time they're just words and word associating that work well together and flow. The listener themselves are then forced to imply some sort of 'real' meaning to the lyrics usually based on they're own psychology.

I kinda viewed this TP as just a series of surrealism's all strung together and without the kind of 'deep messaging' and referencing be damned that all the online punditry wants to attribute to it.
And when it comes down to it, for me at least, that's all plenty enough to be entertained. Chasing hidden meanings is a dog chasing it's tail, imo. However I can totally see how its enjoyable for some people to do and don't knock the 'sport' of it.