Trial will put humans into suspended animation

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019...first-time

What do the NDE proponents think of this? Will we hear about OBEs and veridical perception in these extremely close to death patients?

Maybe? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Sounds a lot like what Pam Reynolds went through, so there's a chance. If they happen, whether we ever hear about them depends greatly on willingness to report them, as always.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019...first-time

What do the NDE proponents think of this? Will we hear about OBEs and veridical perception in these extremely close to death patients?

I think Parnia is launching a new in hospital study on just that, reported in his very recent conference, (hat tip to Ben’s blog Aware of Aware), plenty of discussion about these new portable bypass/cooling machines being used by emergency attenders on site at the conference... already used regularly in France apparently...

Personally I think the world is going a bit nutty... In a hospital setting, Parnia’s Aware II only actually recruited and interviewed approximately 1% of the approx 4500 cardiac arrest cases that occurred... because 99% either can’t be resuscitated, or die shortly after resuscitation. At the conference they said just to connect you to one of those machines was 20k USD.

I think Parnia is launching a new in hospital study on just that, reported in his very recent conference, (hat tip to Ben’s blog Aware of Aware), plenty of discussion about these new portable bypass/cooling machines being used by emergency attenders on site at the conference... already used regularly in France apparently...

Personally I think the world is going a bit nutty... In a hospital setting, Parnia’s Aware II only actually recruited and interviewed approximately 1% of the approx 4500 cardiac arrest cases that occurred... because 99% either can’t be resuscitated, or die shortly after resuscitation. At the conference they said just to connect you to one of those machines was 20k USD.

there's clearly a disconnect between self-reported NDEs and the number of deep NDEs in the prospective studies.

there's clearly a disconnect between self-reported NDEs and the number of deep NDEs in the prospective studies.

Guessing they ain't enrolling and interviewing them quick enough... that seemed to be the problem with AWARE I, and doesn't seem to be solved in AWAREII. There was some evidence from Pim Van Lommel's study that subjects with deeper recalled experiences seemed to have longer periods of CA... and consequently worse outcomes... so they died quite quickly afterwards. Penny and Van Lommel seemed to do the best and quickest follow ups... but even then, Penny couldn't get to enroll and interview patients who had reported an NDE.

We would probably get a clearer picture if they measured the number of cardiac arrest patients who reported an NDE... even if they were not enrolled/interview. With AWARE I they were 12-18 months behind with some interviews IIRC.

Personally I think the world is going a bit nutty...

Isn't it!