The mind entity hypothesis

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(2022-12-02, 10:46 AM)Typoz Wrote: Almost 30 years ago I was present at the death of a family member. It must have been five minutes or more after the initial moments when we were too busy checking for signs of breathing or heartbeat - and being very shocked, only after that time did I think to look up towards the ceiling and around the upper corners of the room. I didn't see anything. Whether there was anything to see I don't know.

However, I experienced a number of separate things afterwards, during the days, weeks and years afterwards that seemed to show the presence of this relative in a very immediate and direct way. These things are personal and I'm not inclined to share them online.

My main thoughts here, it's not easy to make any of these things happen, even if we are ready and looking for them. But things do happen in their own time, perhaps unexpectedly.

If you remember, I wrote about this in January, just after it happened, because the house lights blew a fuse that very evening as we were making something to eat. I did wonder if his spirit was around, saying goodbye.

The basic problem is that there is too much emotion at such times to pay careful attention to such things.
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(2022-12-02, 11:47 AM)Max_B Wrote: who were all the other people in the room? The parents were puzzled by this, as there had only been the three of them in the room.

After reading John Fuller’s book ‘The ghost of flight 401’, it did make more sense to me, that the dying could spread out within - what we call - spacetime, no longer bound by their sensory inputs to a spatiotemporal nexus. Unbound, and able to touch the non-classical experience of those who share their classical patterns, no matter how far away in spacetime they are.

Yeah I've mentioned it on here before but my mother's last words to me were of astonishment that all the people she thought had died were in the room ready to welcome her to other side.

(2022-12-01, 09:15 PM)David001 Wrote: Since I don't think there is anything unique about humans, I tried to observe this phenomenon when our much loved cat was put to sleep early this year. I didn't see anything, but it is hard to concentrate at a time like that.

There are cases of animal spirits being seen, I think a few animals show up even in the NDEs of their owners? Sadly there aren't, AFAIK, the number of great cases that we have for human apparitions/NDEs/reincarnation/mediumship/etc
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(2022-12-02, 05:25 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: Yeah I've mentioned it on here before but my mother's last words to me were of astonishment that all the people she thought had died were in the room ready to welcome her to other side.

I don't remember you saying that, Sci but it's absolutely typical and fascinating. If that's death (and it seems to be quite typical for many) it's not much different than being picked up at a bus stop.
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(2022-12-02, 06:56 PM)tim Wrote: I don't remember you saying that, Sci but it's absolutely typical and fascinating. If that's death (and it seems to be quite typical for many) it's not much different than being picked up at a bus stop.

Hopefully a little more exciting! Wink 

(Though we do have those curious mediumship reports that suggest at least some afterlives are remarkably similar to this one...down to getting a job Confused )
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(2022-12-02, 05:25 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: Yeah I've mentioned it on here before but my mother's last words to me were of astonishment that all the people she thought had died were in the room ready to welcome her to other side.

I didn't know that. It sounds like a wonderful way to go... I bought mum and dad Fenwick's The Art of Dying book... with the hope it might bring them some comfort, as it mentions similar events to yours.
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring 
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
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(2022-12-02, 07:53 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: Hopefully a little more exciting! Wink 

(Though we do have those curious mediumship reports that suggest at least some afterlives are remarkably similar to this one...down to getting a job Confused )

I guess we can't rule anything out until we "know" ourselves. The people that I've spoken to didn't mention anything like that, though. Then again, some people live to work, don't they.
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(2022-12-04, 01:28 PM)tim Wrote: I guess we can't rule anything out until we "know" ourselves. The people that I've spoken to didn't mention anything like that, though. Then again, some people live to work, don't they.

IIRC a lot of these mundane type afterlives were collected in a single book, will try to find the title.
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For some reason, I can't help myself from wanting to jump into this particular thread. This talk of the nature of the afterlife also has me itching to add my commentary so please excuse the interventions.

I recently read "Adventures in the Afterlife" by Willaim Buhlman and it serves as a good indicator and confirmation of other works attempting to describe the common experiences. In it, he portrays a fictional character who dies and finds himself in a community much like the one he knew in his earthly life. He was greeted by his mother who, in turn, introduces him to the very typical American style, evangelist Christian community. However, he is already becoming uncomfortable with the worldview he is expected to maintain and he is soon faced with the same closed-minded attitudes and prejudices that he encountered before his transition to the afterlife.

As always, when I read this type of account, there is a guide close at hand to steer the soul towards an environment more in-keeping with his developing beliefs and understanding. He is clearly ready for these changes and is shown how we all collectively create the environments we inhabit due to our belief systems and expectations. He is also shown those who create their own hell-like conditions and is saddened to realise that, as much as he tries and hopes to convince these poor souls that they do not need to remain in those conditions, they are not ready to move on. At no point is this "hell" deemed to be a form of punishment for the sins of the inhabitants.

Buhlman's story reflects so much of what I have read over the many years I have been following this subject matter. And it makes sense to me. Our soul development is based on beliefs and the experiences which shape those beliefs. We choose those experiences (or lessons) and, no matter how dire and disturbing (or merely mundane) they might be in the short term, they are all part of an inevitable development towards some kind of enlightenment.

Lastly, I have come to favour a personal theory about Near Death Experiences. It seems to me that their stories have a similar trajectory: they often meet some kind of advanced soul (many will be convinced they have met an angel or Jesus or God) who exposes them to a glimpse of the enlightenment I mentioned above. Yet I have read many accounts via channels or mediums from the deceased who have not been through that stage. Therefore I wonder whether there is a special, condensed afterlife experience for those who are destined to return to this life to tell their story?
I do not make any clear distinction between mind and God. God is what mind becomes when it has passed beyond the scale of our comprehension.
Freeman Dyson
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