(2017-09-28, 01:46 AM)Ninshub Wrote: If anything, Bauer's work has been labeled HIV Denialism and itself homophobic. (See the Wiki page on Bauer). I'm not saying I think that's the case - I have no opinion on the matter. But I think it's a controversial alt-science topic that hasn't much place on this forum - especially (like any other similar topic) if it risks being sociopolitically divisive and offending heavily-contributing, strongly psi-interested forum members. If the topic was psi in nature to begin with, and sociopolitically divisive, then it would have to be tolerated.
Pcience Quest is not Skeptiko à la Science Is Wrong About Everything. It's mostly a psi forum, not an alt-science forum. That doesn't mean there isn't any place for alt-science here (especially more indirectly-psi-related, spiritual-philosophical topics like cosmology and evolution), but not at the expense of hurting psi membership.
And for the record, I don't think homeopathy is a valid topic for a Psience Quest interview either, for the reasons previously enumerated. It's medicine, not psi. Spiritual/psi healing of one type or another would make the grade.
Sociopolitically divisive... a lovely way to dump any topics your biased against. There is no way I'm going to continue membership of a homophobic forum, who only tolerates homosexuality if it remains hidden and unmentionable, singled out with particular significance for this treatment.
(2017-09-28, 01:49 AM)chuck Wrote: I'm not convinced that the interview is appropriate and I'm not homophobic. What evidence do you have that the opposition is homophobic in nature. Seems an odd piece of bait to throw out.
I've heard no reason yet given why the interview is inappropriate? Other than socially divisive, Africa, and Chris's threat to leave. Why do you think it is inappropriate...? That's what I don't have any clarity on at all... even if it should be allowed anywhere on psiencequest... as Ninshub is suggesting.
(2017-09-28, 01:55 AM)Max_B Wrote: Sociopolitically divisive... a lovely way to dump any topics your biased against. There is no way I'm going to continue membership of a homophobic forum, who only tolerates homosexuality if it remains hidden and unmentionable, singled out with particular significance for this treatment.
It's honestly your own problem if you can't possibly see a reason that having that interview here wouldn't be desirable to someone outside of them being homophobic. That's just a patently ridiculous notion.
People have listed good reasons here... it's an issue that lots of people feel is extremely unreasonable and damaging. Just because you don't accept those reasons as adequate doesn't mean it's reasonable for you to start making what is an unjustified leap to homophobia. How you're saying that that's the most reasonable inference is beyond me.
(2017-09-28, 02:01 AM)Max_B Wrote: I've heard no reason yet given why the interview is inappropriate? Other than socially divisive, Africa, and Chris's threat to leave. Why do you think it is inappropriate...? That's what I don't have any clarity on at all... even if it should be allowed anywhere on psiencequest... as Ninshub is suggesting.
This may seem rather ignorant, but to me the idea that HIV isn't related to AIDS is akin to flat earth science. It's a gut reaction.
I honestly think folks are gun shy after what Alex did to Skeptiko. An OBE interview. Sure. NDE. Yes. Frankly I think UFO may be pushing it at this point.
I think some folks feel like PQ is developing a brand. And if I were developing a brand I wouldn't really want this guy's science regarding HIV attached to it. I would like to see an interview with him regarding his tenor at JSE. To me that is interesting.
(2017-09-28, 01:55 AM)Max_B Wrote: There is no way I'm going to continue membership of a homophobic forum, who only tolerates homosexuality if it remains hidden and unmentionable, singled out with particular significance for this treatment.
That's completely ridiculous Max, and you're clearly not reading my posts. I'm as socially liberal as they come, FYI. A complete and utter leftist on these matters. If anything, Bauer's ideas have been accused of homophobia, racism, etc*. But it's not on a Social Justice Warrior basis that I'm making my stand on this, it's because there's nothing paranormal about it. Period.
MAX_B. Can you summarize this guy's science in a way that makes sense for PQ to host the interview. I don't think many of us really know that much about his claims, aside from HIV isn't related to AIDS. (Is that right?)
(2017-09-28, 02:16 AM)Dante Wrote: It's honestly your own problem if you can't possibly see a reason that having that interview here wouldn't be desirable to someone outside of them being homophobic. That's just a patently ridiculous notion.
People have listed good reasons here... it's an issue that lots of people feel is extremely unreasonable and damaging. Just because you don't accept those reasons as adequate doesn't mean it's reasonable for you to start making what is an unjustified leap to homophobia. How you're saying that that's the most reasonable inference is beyond me.
Why not try giving me a reason why discussion of hiv/aids on this forum should not be allowed? Damaging is not a reason.
(2017-09-28, 01:55 AM)Max_B Wrote: Sociopolitically divisive... a lovely way to dump any topics your biased against. There is no way I'm going to continue membership of a homophobic forum, who only tolerates homosexuality if it remains hidden and unmentionable, singled out with particular significance for this treatment.
You are way out in left field on this one. Not even sure where this is coming from. I mean lots of people suffering from HIV/AIDS aren't gay.
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(2017-09-28, 02:24 AM)Max_B Wrote: Why not try giving me a reason why discussion of hiv/aids on this forum should not be allowed? Damaging is not a reason.
How is this not a flat earth theory. Give us some idea that there is ANY validity to this.
(2017-09-28, 02:23 AM)chuck Wrote: MAX_B. Can you summarize this guy's science in a way that makes sense for PQ to host the interview. I don't think many of us really know that much about his claims, aside from HIV isn't related to AIDS. (Is that right?)
I haven't got a clue... I know nothing about him other than what I read up on him earlier this evening. It's unclear whether Chris has beef with discussion of homosexuality, hiv/aids, or just believes the interviewee should be gagged...
All I keep hearing is damaging, decisive, Chris's threat and Africa... but I've not heard any actual arguments, and it's doing my nut in!
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