Last week my wife told me that in the night she saw me lying asleep but then saw another me stand up and float out of the room. I don't know if there is anything to this as she often suffers from night terrors and has previously seen somebody pulling me by my arm as I was turning over in my sleep but I thought it was interesting anyway.
Out of body or hallucination?
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realistically there's not enough information to say anything on it whatsoever. But if you gather more, everything from sensations, what the room looked like and if it differed from normal, what "you" looked like, etc without outright prompting and making her mind think that now she has to look for differences then you might be able to put something together if there's more instances of this. You need things to compare it to.
"The cure for bad information is more information."
It has been claimed that most/all of us leave the body during sleeping. I don't know whether that's the case.
What is uncommon I suppose is for another person to witness this happening, but it may depend on being in a suitable state of consciousness to register it. (2019-06-15, 03:10 AM)Mediochre Wrote: realistically there's not enough information to say anything on it whatsoever. But if you gather more, everything from sensations, what the room looked like and if it differed from normal, what "you" looked like, etc without outright prompting and making her mind think that now she has to look for differences then you might be able to put something together if there's more instances of this. You need things to compare it to. OK, when she has her night terrors, the room looks the same as in real life, the same as it did here. When this happened, she felt scared at first but not like during the night terrors and she was able to soon relax. The visual effect was clear but not as solid as in night terrors. Possible hypnopompic hallucination? The skeptic in me thinks so but the proponent hopes it is something more.
"Possible hypnopompic hallucination?"
Personally I think the hypnopompic and hypnagogic states are valuable, and may have something useful, practical to offer us. I realise the term 'hallucination' is frequently paired with these terms, which to my mind is unfortunate, as it tends to imply something which is not real, something to be discarded. I made a similar comment in this post: https://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-a...5#pid27155 (2019-04-02, 08:42 AM)Typoz Wrote: It's probably worth considering this from an opposite stance. That is, rather than using the "hypnogogic state" as a reason to devalue or dismiss such experiences, instead we could regard this hypnogogic state as a valuable resource or tool and pay more attention to it. In my own life I've found it a valuable tool in problem-solving as well as acquiring information inaccessible in any other way. It should be elevated in importance, in my view.
Interesting update - it seems the me she saw looks exactly as I do in real life and not a dream-like distortion. The only difference is that it looked vague rather than solid.
I have had only one conscious experience of being out of my body, but a partner has had many, including one I was involved in . In that one I was woken from a dream by her. As she told me what she had experienced I realised that my dream had been tracking her experience and our interaction exactly.
I don't buy suggestions that Out of Body Experiences [OOBEs] are hallucinations. From what I have read and heard folk who suggest hallucinations have never had a hallucination, and tend to rely on comic renditions. From my experience proper hallucinations aren't the same thing - and if you know the difference you don't mistake real woo events for hallucinations. OOBEs tend, it seems, to be spontaneous. My partner's were, leading to all kinds of worries. That led to reading Robert Monroe's classic - Journeys Out of the Body - first published in the mid 1970s I think, but then I read the book in 1979. Monroe wrote the book after he started having OOBEs and thinking he was going nuts or seriously ill. Monroe went on to found the Monroe Institute. OOBEs or Astral travel is not remarkable, really. Its been around a long time and is well testified to. (2020-05-06, 11:51 AM)Aussie Mike Wrote: I have had only one conscious experience of being out of my body, but a partner has had many, including one I was involved in . In that one I was woken from a dream by her. As she told me what she had experienced I realised that my dream had been tracking her experience and our interaction exactly.Your experience is really interesting. I have heard things like it before but never experienced such. Re hallucinations, I sometimes believe them to be real while they are happening but there is usually an altered state of consciousness involved and when back to my usual consciousness, I recognize the hallucination for what it was. |
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