Non-Cartesian Substance Dualism

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(Yesterday, 07:20 AM)Laird Wrote: Even if that is the case (and it's not obvious to me that it is), it doesn't prove that consciousness is retained during general anaesthetic but forgotten due to the anaesthetic, as opposed to what seems more plausible to those like me who have been through it: that consciousness temporarily ceases.

But that would suggest that mind is simply the result of brain activity ~ when brain activity ceases, so does mind.

However, if mind is not the brain, then consciousness does not logically cease, but is suppressed as the brain is suppressed.

Because, actually, brain activity doesn't stop until the brain dies from lack of oxygen and blood flow.

(Yesterday, 07:20 AM)Laird Wrote: Is it? It doesn't seem to be the usual scenario in which people have NDEs or OBEs, i.e., in those cases - like mine - when the procedure is not putting their life at risk. At most, it's a mere possibility, and one that seems remote to me.

But people have reported having an OBE or NDE during anesthesia ~ though rarely. It has no explanation, either, as far as I can tell.

It's not nearly an inexplicable as terminal lucidity, but it's still very unexpected.
“Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.”
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(Yesterday, 07:19 AM)Laird Wrote: That's all agreeable to me, but it does seem to concede the lack of analogy.

Maybe I'm missing something, I'd say you can make analogous inferences? ->

1.) Some people experience Survival, either of their own or someone else's => Everyone will experience Survival.

2. ) Some people have had OOBE & NDE experiences, or other forms of conscious awareness/awakening during anesthesia

=>

Consciousness remains "on" during anesthesia, but memory formation is affected.

To say it in another way -> The continuity of consciousness is preserved during anesthesia just as it presumably preserved during sleep or unconsciousness due to some physical damage of the body.

Of course one can say continuity of consciousness is not preserved during sleep and/or unconsciousness due to physical damage....but that to me would then require novel explanations for what happens during dream telepathy, OOBEs, and NDEs.
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

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