NDE study by Kondziella and Olsen

If you would have read my original message, you would have noticed the words "I don't think" at the beginning. That is just my opinion on Alex. he is totally invested in conspiracy BS, and he isn't as far as i am concerned a skeptic following facts, but a pure believer.

then his repution isn't as good as you'd like to be. https://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/2012/0...-deceiver/ he has been caught altering transcripts more than once by true skeptics. you sound like a fanatic who wants to believe at all costs.

Now addressing general anesthesia, yes you can dream in it. My mother dreamt during her general anesthesia. It was very far from an NDE, anyway, she saw just some some trees and a non threatening lion chilling there or something like it.
What I trust are EEG readings. Not once, in pubmed or elsewhere, I have found studies showing REM patterns in EEG readings of people during CA. This is confirmed by the latest research by Dr. Parnia. 
So we are really debating over nothing here, There is no proof, machine recorded, hard data proof, of REM sleep patterns during CA. And machine recorded proof beats any anectode.

Thanks for revealing what a phony and fraud you really are. Citing this repugnant hitpiece about Alex says even more about you. It's even worse than rationalWiki, and you have the balls to cite it here. Alright, Just like somebody said here before: you credibility is next to zero. I'm muting you. I can deal with decent sceptiks, but not with phonies.

Can the mods please either ban or anyway warn Enrique Vargas? he is insulting me, heavily, without me having provoked him. I've provided facts about why and how Alex's credibility isn't really high in my opinion, yet he insists in calling me an asshole or a phony. He is incredibly rude, please do something.

Can the mods please either ban or anyway warn Enrique Vargas? he is insulting me, heavily, without me having provoked him. I've provided facts about why and how Alex's credibility isn't really high in my opinion, yet he insists in calling me an asshole or a phony. He is incredibly rude, please do something.

I repeat, you have slandered a friend, a person held in high esteem on this forum and an overall decent and honest guy. And you accused him of intentionally and deceptively doctoring his interviews, meaning, you are accusing him of indecency. As a "proof", you cite a horrible ad hoc hit blog, and then, you assume an attitude of offended innocence. This is hypocrisy taken to the extreme. You did something much worse then calling somebody an "asshole". You accused a person of committing an indecent act. And then, you have the hutzpa of complaining about somebody calling you a phony. Truly revolting.

I’ve got little problem with what you wrote in the last paragraph I’ve quoted, regarding the very deep anaesthesia of burst suppression, but the first paragraph is wrong. People recall dream like experiences all the time whilst under lower levels of general anaesthesia than burst suppression. Indeed there are plenty of papers on anaesthetic awareness during general anaesthesia, showing that auditory stimulation during anaesthesia can be recalled, often quite explicitly.

According to the majority consensus in anaesthesiology, patients don't dream under adequate general anaesthesia, Max.

"General anaesthesia, in contrast, aims to do just that, creating an unresponsive drug-induced coma or controlled unconsciousness that is deeper and more detached from reality even than sleep, with no memories of any events during that period. As Robert Sanders, an anaesthetist at the University of Wisconsin–Madison, puts it: “We’ve apparently ablated this period of time from that person’s experience.” (During the operation, the patient may also be given painkillers to ease their recovery when they wake up from surgery.)"

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20190313...esia-fails

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[url=https://www.quora.com/profile/Eric-Silverman-M-D]Eric Silverman M.D., M.D. Anesthesiology, University of Arizona College of Medicine (1993)

Answered Aug 20, 2018

I have to admit I am pretty disappointed with some of the answers provided by alleged Anesthesia-trained responders.
If a patient in under adequate anesthesia level when used as the primary technique, it does not matter what is the agent used is (propofol, volatile anesthetics, etc), there is sufficient depression of higher brain functions such that dreaming is not theoretically possible, since REM sleep occurs at lighter level where dreams occur.

However, if the depth of anesthesia is reduced to allow for REM sleep, either the patient is getting “light”, or emerging to awareness, typically at the end of the procedure, or even in the Recovery area.
Dream research has proven that “full” dreams can occur in a very short period of REM sleep, even seconds. These can easily occur while the patient is waking up.

In 25 years, no patient has ever reported to have had a dream under a full general anesthetic, but many reports what a great “sleep” that was. I do admit it is fun to ask the patient “where do you want to go for the next few hours”, sometimes due to the premedication “cocktail” provided, the answers can be quite interesting.

https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-we-dream-...anesthesia


At levels appropriate for surgery, general anesthesia can functionally approximate brain-stem death,²¹ because patients are unconscious, have depressed brain-stem reflexes, do not respond to nociceptive stimuli, have no apneic drive, and require cardiorespiratory and thermoregulatory support.<sup>9

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3162622/</sup>

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Can the mods please either ban or anyway warn Enrique Vargas? he is insulting me, heavily, without me having provoked him. I've provided facts about why and how Alex's credibility isn't really high in my opinion, yet he insists in calling me an asshole or a phony. He is incredibly rude, please do something.

I think it's safe to say that Alex is a friend of the forum; that Skeptiko is a sister site; that Alex's integrity is generally respected around these parts. It seems to me (subjective judgement call) that you haven't presented any convincing evidence that challenges that respect - evidence, for example, of Alex editing his interviews. Granted, the way he introduces and sometimes concludes interviews is often favourable to his own views, but inserting editorial opinion (transparent) is different than editing shows to perpetuate bias (non-transparent and a serious charge).

Enrique's passion in defence of his (our) friend is admirable; that said, we do ask that even impassioned defences show (or at least pretend at) a minimum of respect for other posters - it is the first of our rules. Calling other posters "assholes" and other uncharitable names with vitriol falls foul of our admonition against personal attacks. I understand that in the heat of the moment, angry words are sometimes spoken, but this does breach forum rules, so let's keep it clean going forward, OK?

If you would have read my original message, you would have noticed the words "I don't think" at the beginning. That is just my opinion on Alex. he is totally invested in conspiracy BS, and he isn't as far as i am concerned a skeptic following facts, but a pure believer.

then his repution isn't as good as you'd like to be. https://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/2012/0...-deceiver/ he has been caught altering transcripts more than once by true skeptics. you sound like a fanatic who wants to believe at all costs.

Now addressing general anesthesia, yes you can dream in it. My mother dreamt during her general anesthesia. It was very far from an NDE, anyway, she saw just some some trees and a non threatening lion chilling there or something like it.
What I trust are EEG readings. Not once, in pubmed or elsewhere, I have found studies showing REM patterns in EEG readings of people during CA. This is confirmed by the latest research by Dr. Parnia. 
So we are really debating over nothing here, There is no proof, machine recorded, hard data proof, of REM sleep patterns during CA. And machine recorded proof beats any anectode.

If you read the blog, it clarifies that Alex doesn't do the transcripts and instead it's done by someone named Tess.  Also the error in my opinion was rather minor and was corrected in the end.

I would much sooner say that the bias comes from the interview introductions, as has been noted in this thread already but is well within his rights as the owner of the platform.

Thanks for revealing what a phony and fraud you really are. Citing this repugnant hitpiece about Alex says even more about you. It's even worse than rationalWiki, and you have the balls to cite it here. Alright, Just like somebody said here before: you credibility is next to zero. I'm muting you. I can deal with decent sceptiks, but not with phonies.

You are much better off dismissing the claims presented with argument rather than insults, in my opinion. Consider that a forum is read by many more than merely the person you are argueing with. When you present clear arguments you have the opportunity to convince others - while emotive rhetoric such as this may actually dissuade people from your point of view. Furthermore I do not think this forum is the place to attack others simply for attacking sacred cows like our friend Alex.

You are much better off dismissing the claims presented with argument rather than insults, in my opinion. Consider that a forum is read by many more than merely the person you are argueing with. When you present clear arguments you have the opportunity to convince others - while emotive rhetoric such as this may actually dissuade people from your point of view. Furthermore I do not think this forum is the place to attack others simply for attacking sacred cows like our friend Alex.

1) There is nothing to argument about: this is hearsay with no supporting proof 2) Mine is "not a point of view" but a reaction to a smear 3) "attack others", no. react to an attack, a hearsay-based smear. And no, Alex is no sacred cow. He's a friend who, not being on this forum, can't defend himself. But I appreciate the condescension. No, I ldon't. I detest condescension.

I still don't get what was wrong about the link I have posted. It seems that Alex, or whoever does the transcriptions for him, did not correct the mistake even after being noticed on the skeptico forum. Now I may be wrong, of course, but until I see some proof my idea remains.

I think we should all be allowed having ideas about who we trust or don't trust when it comes to evidence/data collection, I don't get why I have to be repeatedly insulted for such a reason. But whatever, it's not my problem.

To keep things on track, I didn't find any studies linked with REM patterns on the EEG during CA. Anybody has more info on it?