Mother's premonition of her sons death...

Mother's doo dah

I had something similar happen with my son in his first year of university. I woke suddenly with the certainty that he had been murdered by his roommate (he had been complaining about his roommate's behavior). I had texted and called him a few times in the days prior to that, with no answer. And I didn't think anything of it, as he frequently didn't respond. But in the middle of the night, the vision of his murder came to me and I couldn't shake it off.    

I spent a sleepless night trying to contact him, but just before I called the apartment manager to check on him, my son called me. All was fine. His battery had worn down and he had mislaid his charger.

So not the same...

This seems to be a very interesting case. The OP showed what definitely appears to be a true precognitive experience. The second poster then attempts to show some similarities, although not quite hitting the mark. One shows the precognition of an event that did happen, the other a fear of what MAY happen. Anxiety-based fears appear in dreams as several different events. Not necessarily the death of a loved one. That is just a manifestation of it as it appeared to them in the second posters story. A fascinating phenomenon to be sure. I can only theorize that some sort of soul or energy transfer facilitated to precognitive experience. I did research the boy's school profile, as well as the article for any pertinent astronumerological evidence as to find anything soul path related. He is a life path 7, but I'm afraid that did not reveal any information either. The journey continues.

This seems to be a very interesting case. The OP showed what definitely appears to be a true precognitive experience. The second poster then attempts to show some similarities, although not quite hitting the mark. One shows the precognition of an event that did happen, the other a fear of what MAY happen. Anxiety-based fears appear in dreams as several different events. Not necessarily the death of a loved one. That is just a manifestation of it as it appeared to them in the second posters story. A fascinating phenomenon to be sure. I can only theorize that some sort of soul or energy transfer facilitated to precognitive experience. I did research the boy's school profile, as well as the article for any pertinent astronumerological evidence as to find anything soul path related. He is a life path 7, but I'm afraid that did not reveal any information either. The journey continues.

Welcome and thanks for your contribution - hope there are many more to come.

I don't want to prejudice your opinions but you will gather over time that fls (Linda) is one of our resident sceptics so her posts should be read with that in mind. What she appears to be communicating in her post is the usual sceptical position that for every reported case of apparent precognition there may be thousands, like her story, which did not end up being a true vision of the future. It is a variation on the old sceptical standby: the law of large numbers or: if you have enough people having feelings about the future, a few of them will inevitably be somewhat accurate. In my opinion, the law of large numbers is to sceptics what god-of-the-gaps is to religious people. 

For the record, in case it is not obvious, I tend to disagree with fls a lot.

What she appears to be communicating in her post is the usual sceptical position that for every reported case of apparent precognition there may be thousands, like her story, which did not end up being a true vision of the future. It is a variation on the old sceptical standby: the law of large numbers or: if you have enough people having feelings about the future, a few of them will inevitably be somewhat accurate. In my opinion, the law of large numbers is to sceptics what god-of-the-gaps is to religious people. 

I've never seen it as a very substantial argument either. For one, I think there is enough evidence to support the idea that psi/precognition is probably happening at least some of the time in these cases if not all. Two, I tend to look at the universe as a probabilitisic one, rather than a deterministic one. So when faced with the idea there are a lot of people who didn't get the prediction right, I don't see it that way. I think it's been discussed before, but it's probably because they saw a possible future but that changed for some reason. Even a parallel timeline maybe.

I've never seen it as a very substantial argument either. For one, I think there is enough evidence to support the idea that psi/precognition is probably happening at least some of the time in these cases if not all. Two, I tend to look at the universe as a probabilitisic one, rather than a deterministic one. So when faced with the idea there are a lot of people who didn't get the prediction right, I don't see it that way. I think it's been discussed before, but it's probably because they saw a possible future but that changed for some reason. Even a parallel timeline maybe.

It might be interesting to see whether sceptics are willing to consider that the laws of probability might work the other way and allow that at least some of those reported might be true. I doubt that somehow.

It is a variation on the old sceptical standby: the law of large numbers or: if you have enough people having feelings about the future, a few of them will inevitably be somewhat accurate. In my opinion, the law of large numbers is to sceptics what god-of-the-gaps is to religious people. 

I don't know why Michael Shermer calls this the law of large numbers in the article you link to. The law of large numbers is far more specific, and relates to the convergence of the average of a large sample to the true average of the population being sampled, as the size of the sample becomes larger.

It might be interesting to see whether sceptics are willing to consider that the laws of probability might work the other way and allow that at least some of those reported might be true. I doubt that somehow.

Yes, cause the reason they don't already is the fact that they think from a deterministic point of view. The whole "the universe is random and meaningless" view that guys like Sean Carroll like to believe is pretty much par for the course for being a "skeptic" in the Shermer sense. It's a materialist thing basically. And they would to have to break from it. To see if they ever could would be a test

There are probably things that would be harder to get them to even concede to then it (admitting not everything paranormal is woo woo or delusion, etc), but that doesn't mean I think they'll change their minds either. Just because it's slightly more possible. They are so cocksure they won't need to change anyways

This seems to be a very interesting case. The OP showed what definitely appears to be a true precognitive experience. The second poster then attempts to show some similarities, although not quite hitting the mark. One shows the precognition of an event that did happen, the other a fear of what MAY happen. Anxiety-based fears appear in dreams as several different events. Not necessarily the death of a loved one. That is just a manifestation of it as it appeared to them in the second posters story. A fascinating phenomenon to be sure. I can only theorize that some sort of soul or energy transfer facilitated to precognitive experience. I did research the boy's school profile, as well as the article for any pertinent astronumerological evidence as to find anything soul path related. He is a life path 7, but I'm afraid that did not reveal any information either. The journey continues.

Similar in the sense that both were examples of strong premonitions. I have an interest in strong premonitions independently of whether or not there are subsequent events/experiences which may or may not show an uncanny match to the premonition. One criteria I've been playing with, to identify strong premonitions, is whether they are strong enough to alter behavior - for example, phone calls were made (as in these cases) or someone doesn't get on a plane. 

Linda