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Humble pie for me then

I've to wonder about your observation ability after stating it's  a boar.  Even observing this at normal speed clearly shows a canid and I suspect without that corroborative evidence you'd still say it was a boar. I wonder what else your observational inability might lead you to a wrong conclusion?

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Poor form, Steve.

Poor form, Steve.

I consider it unpleasant honesty. Though not directly voiced, the message each and every skeptic that participated at Skeptiko and here is this. How can you be so certain you are right? Why are you certain you are right? Our message is that simple. Tim's reply is an example of how perception can lead to a too quick wrong conclusion.

I've to wonder about your observation ability after stating it's  a boar.  Even observing this at normal speed clearly shows a canid and I suspect without that corroborative evidence you'd still say it was a boar. I wonder what else your observational inability might lead you to a wrong conclusion?

It's a bit odd that you would ignore me on three other occasions when I specifically addressed you...and then post that underhand 'swipe' at me, Steve!

If you had actually read what I posted, I said I was pretty satisfied that it was a wild boar but I might be wrong. I based that on the only information I had which was a video. If you stop the action (in the slow motion part) precisely on 2-02 you will see what appears to be the head of a wild boar. Or it looks more like a boar than a wolf to me anyway.

It might surprise you, but living in the suburbs of a city in England, I'm not actually too familiar with wolves or wild boars. I guess you've got them all over your living room wall and I can well imagine your familiarity with animals and also your expertise in being able to distinguish a pole cat from a cougar even with your eyes shut.  

Just curious, but how does that mean I am incapable of making a judgement about a subject I do know about ? Can you explain that ?

I consider it unpleasant honesty. Though not directly voiced, the message each and every skeptic that participated at Skeptiko and here is this. How can you be so certain you are right? Why are you certain you are right? Our message is that simple. Tim's reply is an example of how perception can lead to a too quick wrong conclusion.

Amazingly, "how can you be so certain you are right?" is exactly the question literally anyone who is familiar with you would ask you. 

Honestly it's crazy that you don't recognize that the same things you complain about others apply to you in nearly every instance.

What's even more astonishing about it is that it's plainly wrong. Most posters here have gone as far as explicitly stating that they are not at all "certain" about the things we debate here.

You seem to have thought this was an opportunity to prove a point without recognizing that point has little to no basis and applies equally to you.

It's a bit odd that you would ignore me on three other occasions when I specifically addressed you...and then post that underhand 'swipe' at me, Steve!

If you had actually read what I posted, I said I was pretty satisfied that it was a wild boar but I might be wrong. I based that on the only information I had which was a video. If you stop the action (in the slow motion part) precisely on 2-02 you will see what appears to be the head of a wild boar. Or it looks more like a boar than a wolf to me anyway.

It might surprise you, but living in the suburbs of a city in England, I'm not actually too familiar with wolves or wild boars. I guess you've got them all over your living room wall and I can well imagine your familiarity with animals and also your expertise in being able to distinguish a pole cat from a cougar even with your eyes shut.  

Just curious, but how does that mean I am incapable of making a judgement about a subject I do know about ? Can you explain that ?

For what it's worth, my impression was that it was a very large boar as well. Only the legs seemed too long.

For what it's worth, my impression was that it was a very large boar as well. Only the legs seemed too long.

I agree, thanks, Oleo!

Amazingly, "how can you be so certain you are right?" is exactly the question literally anyone who is familiar with you would ask you. 

Honestly it's crazy that you don't recognize that the same things you complain about others apply to you in nearly every instance.

What's even more astonishing about it is that it's plainly wrong. Most posters here have gone as far as explicitly stating that they are not at all "certain" about the things we debate here.

You seem to have thought this was an opportunity to prove a point without recognizing that point has little to no basis and applies equally to you.

I do recognize all of the things you think I don't. The difference is my threshold for acceptance is higher than most.

Honestly, I think most members are more inline with accepting than not. More precisely I think those whom express doubt amounts to lip service.

It's a bit odd that you would ignore me on three other occasions when I specifically addressed you...and then post that underhand 'swipe' at me, Steve!

If you had actually read what I posted, I said I was pretty satisfied that it was a wild boar but I might be wrong. I based that on the only information I had which was a video. If you stop the action (in the slow motion part) precisely on 2-02 you will see what appears to be the head of a wild boar. Or it looks more like a boar than a wolf to me anyway.

It might surprise you, but living in the suburbs of a city in England, I'm not actually too familiar with wolves or wild boars. I guess you've got them all over your living room wall and I can well imagine your familiarity with animals and also your expertise in being able to distinguish a pole cat from a cougar even with your eyes shut.  

Just curious, but how does that mean I am incapable of making a judgement about a subject I do know about ? Can you explain that ?

You make a good point. If you aren't familiar with what a canid looks like in this case a wolf why state after looking at it twice the first go around that it's a boar and be satisfied you're right. Only when subsequent video was brought to your attention did you capitulate error. In the brief moment of that video I saw the profile of this animal. I saw how it moved,  it's muzzle, bushy tail, it's body and from that information knew it was a canid.

I'd have to have my eyes open to distinguish a weasel from a cougar unless I was downwind of a polecat.

Tim I did not state or imply you are not capable. What I said is, I question your observational ability. There is a clear difference.

Your free to post your thoughts in my thread you want me to respond to. Just make sure you understand the findings of that research and how it supports and does not support Parnia.

You make a good point. If you aren't familiar with what a canid looks like in this case a wolf why state after looking at it twice the first go around that it's a boar and be satisfied you're right. Only when subsequent video was brought to your attention did you capitulate error. In the brief moment of that video I saw the profile of this animal. I saw how it moved,  it's muzzle, bushy tail, it's body and from that information knew it was a canid.

I'd have to have my eyes open to distinguish a weasel from a cougar unless I was downwind of a polecat.

Tim I did not state or imply you are not capable. What I said is, I question your observational ability. There is a clear difference.

Your free to post your thoughts in my thread you want me to respond to. Just make sure you understand the findings of that research and how it supports and does not support Parnia.

Steve,

I'm afraid this says more about your judgement than mine. To insinuate that my beliefs about NDE research are unfounded and premature, based on one incorrect answer in a game of 'guess the animal,' is stretching it even for you.

If there had been any importance whatsoever riding on whether it was a pig or a dog, then I would have suspended judgement. But I took it as a bit of fun, like 'having a go' on a coconut shy. I wasn't worried about the outcome, honestly. It was at least a four legged animal so I was in the ball park. 

Your barely concealed glee at my 'useless attempt' surprised me and could legitimately lead me to assume you are either naive or worse, mentally deficient.  

I don't think you are mentally deficient. And I don't want to assume you're naïve, either. So I can only think that you are simply desperate to land any kind of a "blow" you can on me, which is fine. 

But it wasn't a blow.  NDE research has been methodically tested over and over again, Parnia being perhaps the pinnacle of it but that would be unfair to Van Lommel, Greyson, Sabom and all the rest. If there was an ordinary explanation for the phenomenon then that would have been established by now. That is why the research continues all over the world.

Where we are at now is that consciousness appears to continue for a few minutes in the first stage after death when the brain has stopped functioning. That should give you more than a little pause for thought but you are so wrapped up in your rigid dogma that you're almost wilfully blind.

(Apologies to Ian for going off topic)