Michael Sudduth's critique of the Leininger case as reincarnation or psi evidence

Most of them claim that it feels like the deceased victim is supplying the information. Yet "they" don't narrate it properly to solve the crime. All the while people claim it is some soul or higher self that should have no boundaries and blah blah. Not buying that BS.

Why should the soul have no boundaries?

It ends up being this guessing game of bits and pieces that have to be sorted. It also puts any kind of precognition in a poor light. How come this victim didn't see something this important, murder, coming at them?
Why aren't all victims then born with the markings?

So, there are any number of known phenomena that can supply this type of "supposed reincarnation" information. 

So, the argument is, how much of the data is being "forced" into any reincarnation study that could still be from many other possible sources?

This is why one has to read the cases, along with commentary of the investigation process. It isn't just a matter of facts, it's also the personalities of the presumed reincarnations.

It seems, after a point, one has to accept everyone involved in the research is a fraud or a fool...or there is a consciousness reincarnating...or some kind of living agent Psi.

The idea that the children are telepaths leads to the question of such isolated uses of telepathy. The idea that parents or other loved ones of the deceased person are using psychic powers to subconsciously fake reincarnation leads to the same question. For example why would Burmese children or their relatives want to be reincarnations of Japanese invaders? Why would the Japanese relatives want the deceased soldiers to be born in Burma?

The issue I see is anyone can come up with explanations for Survival, such as the argument that we only speak to demons and "hungry ghosts" pretending to be the deceased, but scrutiny of the cases never seems to bare these supposed explanations out save perhaps in isolated incidences.

On the subject of wishful thinking, there are those who fervently wish there was no afterlife or the afterlife conformed to a particular religious belief. So the question of motivation isn't limited to people who accepted the Survival hypothesis pointed to by parapsychology.

Well Braude's book Immortal Remains is probably a good start.

Got it, reading away.

This is the perfect example of how scholars with no clue are trying to stuff things in a box and define them. 
Nice that he is on the side of accepting much of the evidence that many other brainless scholars don't want to accept.
People who have not been there, not experienced anything, yet think they can take a microscope and analyze a path of truth and understanding about things they only read about. Wonderful, gag, choke, barf.
i will try to force myself to finish this before my brain just ejects itself...

Why should the soul have no boundaries?


This is why one has to read the cases, along with commentary of the investigation process. It isn't just a matter of facts, it's also the personalities of the presumed reincarnations.

It seems, after a point, one has to accept everyone involved in the research is a fraud or a fool...or there is a consciousness reincarnating...or some kind of living agent Psi.

The idea that the children are telepaths leads to the question of such isolated uses of telepathy. The idea that parents or other loved ones of the deceased person are using psychic powers to subconsciously fake reincarnation leads to the same question. For example why would Burmese children or their relatives want to be reincarnations of Japanese invaders? Why would the Japanese relatives want the deceased soldiers to be born in Burma?

The issue I see is anyone can come up with explanations for Survival, such as the argument that we only speak to demons and "hungry ghosts" pretending to be the deceased, but scrutiny of the cases never seems to bare these supposed explanations out save perhaps in isolated incidences.

On the subject of wishful thinking, there are those who fervently wish there was no afterlife or the afterlife conformed to a particular religious belief. So the question of motivation isn't limited to people who accepted the Survival hypothesis pointed to by parapsychology.

I see obvious misconceptions of how telepathy works, as if it is always some controlled choice, X-Men style.
The data is shoved down your throat in dreams, or while awake, and you can't usually pick and choose what you get, or why, or when.
They wouldn't be "selecting" to be anything, Japan invader or not.
This skill is not something chosen, or supplied by some parent.
It happens, and you are stuck with it.
Parents wouldn't have any clue without testing supplied by someone who knows what they are doing.
Luckily, we can usually see telepathic tendency in brain scans, if they are even bothering to look for them, which they aren't... because they are too busy forcing it to fit whatever else they want, instead of ruling out other very obvious things.

Got it, reading away.

This is the perfect example of how scholars with no clue are trying to stuff things in a box and define them. 
Nice that he is on the side of accepting much of the evidence that many other brainless scholars don't want to accept.
People who have not been there, not experienced anything, yet think they can take a microscope and analyze a path of truth and understanding about things they only read about. Wonderful, gag, choke, barf.
i will try to force myself to finish this before my brain just ejects itself...

What passage of Braude's are you referring to?

What passage of Braude's are you referring to?

His discussion of super psi, live agent psi / survival, the reference was to the approach of "most" scientists, or lack of approach. Very lazy in general.
Around page 25 was the beginning of his list, E-book version

scrutiny of the cases

When I scrutinize these cases, it is likely not the same way that others scrutinize because I look for special clues that I know are related to what I experience.

One of the gigantic clues is that most of the cases involve dreams. Dreams are not just your brain doing whatever, and they can cross between people, be shared by people, and they supply all sorts of psychic information and phenomena.
They are not memory in the sense that most people forget the dreams very quickly, fleeting at best. Where some sink in like the teeth of a shark and stick with you for the rest of your life.
Goodness, if we all used our dreams and memories of dreams to determine what we are, what is real, and other psi phenomena... I would be out flying around without any wings. 

Sure some of those dreams carry true factual information that can be verified, and match real places and people. 
Have they tried doing that with the no-reincarnation memory crowd? Likely not, since thinking is not something that interests these researchers, and it is often not included because it wasn't "paid for" by some one-sided study. So it is already biased to include children who have somehow been reported by parents or others for repeating dream memory.
I got spanked for that, go figure. 

You likely see my point.

Parents and villagers who then push and prod, convince people to look into it, dig for information, are simply stirring the pot, which is exactly what every medium is doing. They get some bait, then throw out a hook, and information magically shows up and gets added to the pile. If you want to know something, or are trying to AP, control dreams, etc., what is the first thing you do? You tell yourself that is what you want to do, and that you are going to do that, like a mantra, until you repeat what you want in your dreams.

So the conclusion, for those who understand how Psi phenomena functions, is that once you get that kind of focus, crowd focus, family focus, personal focus... then this focus is on this strange information, and the strange information will likely present itself sporadically and with strange details. 
It still doesn't mean that any child is this deceased person, memories don't show any proof that they are. If all it was is information that feels real, I've been a lot of people in my past life, at the same time. Nope... can't use these as evidence.
I can't see many of these cases that prove any one thing is reincarnation, except scars.

The point is simple, plenty of correct information arrives in multiple ways to human beings of all ages.
Stuffing the multiple ways into some corner and bending all other data to fit a reincarnation study doesn't fly with me or many other researchers and scientists, for good reason.
If they accept A is possible, and that A can get this same information, then you can't say it is only supplied by B, just to support your point or theory.
We now have A, C, D, E, F, G and likely more ways to get this same information, yet B is all they see, supporting evidence for B, arguments for B, while ignoring the rest.
What kind of world is this? Obviously some alternate reality or dimension where we avoid and ignore truths because whatever the smart people conclude must be right. 
Obvious hogwash... no amount of argument will fix that because the whole study is already flawed. They are talking something Psi, reincarnation, and ignoring Psi in the process. 
It tries to provide proper research data. Yet this data is from children and mostly dreams. Not anything real until somebody runs after the results and tries to plug them into reality. So it presents false conclusions which have been pushed forward as conclusive evidence of a real memory, when these memories can be achieved using other means. Evidence that nobody is allowed to discount makes it religion. When all it actually is, is evidence of an interesting supply of information from somewhere. Not proof of anything.

What passage of Braude's are you referring to?

Ok, interesting read, the book had a bunch of things we haven't even discussed, like possession, which is a whole different set of things to be discussed another day.


I did like the long list describing the perfect reincarnation candidate, but it is incomplete from the perspective of proving anything beyond any shadow of doubt.
And the outline of the perfect candidate still would not provide proper proof of reincarnation, just correct information of a past person, so we are still not there.

The idea of the Amazonian knowing things was good, yet it still wasn't a proper reincarnation situation. You can know all of this and more by tapping into anyone, anywhere, with psi phenomena. So it isn't reincarnation just because you think proper memory is all that would confirm or deny whether a person has been reborn, no matter how detailed that information is.

I liked the accounts of the children who recognize photos from previous lives and can drop names, although Sean Harribance can do this without knowing the person in the photo or claiming it to be a past life. So again, as long as we have other ways of getting this information, proven successful and that he can repeat on demand, this is not an indicator for reincarnation.

So, much of that book is chewing the fat and pointing out some very rediculous mediums and multiple personality patients with fake data who sometimes hit on a nugget. That was hard to read because it seemed like it wasn't helping.

Most of them are obviously disturbed, making them poor subjects, if not a total waste of everyone's time and resources. Add that most of them are just plain creepy or so odd that nothing they do makes sense, they are very contradictory or inconsistent. 

The descriptions of the more impressive (to him) reincarnation studies, where all of them are in certain geographical areas where it is a common theme or belief, and a number of other variables, well... that would support the herd intoxication psi approach, wish for what you wish for and you just might get that. Still not proof of anything but correct information that can be achieved with other means.

And in developed countries like this one, you are beaten, bullied, and shamed into silence if you mention anything like this, in particular if you have zealots for parents. I cringe when I think of the poor kids born in the rampant cult situation in this country, where they think freedom means they can practice whatever they want, child abuse, incest, and all in the name of whatever fake religion. Sick bunch, and many of these scientists are not any better, believe me. They are so negative, about everything, while not comprehending that the negative approach already kills the results of many tests. They literally block things on purpose with strong disbelief in advance of testing. Yet that isn't psi phenomena at all to them. Deny, deny, deny.

So, information is not reincarnation. Not in this world where we know that we can achieve this with other means.
All in all, a good read, but also obviously not someone who has actually had any related psi experiences, like most of the scientists who think they are subject matter experts, when book smart is never an expert. Or regurgitating what they learned in creative ways and trying to apply it things by observation and speculation.
Some of it is good speculation, for sure. Not a bad book, but it lacks the structure and direction needed and rambles as much as I do.

So where are the upgrades to tests and experiments? The improvements that would solve problems and answer questions?

He did mention having people checked out for mental issues. 
I had mentioned having brain scans done. 
Somewhat of the same purpose, but not exactly. He would be scanning for mental illness only. I would be scanning for that and for the known configurations and neural networks of psi phenomena, EEG and fMRI data that also show up as a common factors.
Without these scans, we don't know what we are dealing with, and that makes it assumption.

I'm not sure why we aren't searching for the next Edgar Cayce, or more Sean Harribance types. Oh that's right, neither have a paper degree on the wall that was purchased by mommy and daddy, so nobody listens to them or takes them seriously. Lol

Ok, interesting read, the book had a bunch of things we haven't even discussed, like possession, which is a whole different set of things to be discussed another day...

Sorry, could you quote the parts you're talking about?

It's been some time since I went through it and am not sure, for example, who the Amazonian is.

I see obvious misconceptions of how telepathy works, as if it is always some controlled choice, X-Men style.
The data is shoved down your throat in dreams, or while awake, and you can't usually pick and choose what you get, or why, or when.
They wouldn't be "selecting" to be anything, Japan invader or not.
This skill is not something chosen, or supplied by some parent.
It happens, and you are stuck with it.
Parents wouldn't have any clue without testing supplied by someone who knows what they are doing.
Luckily, we can usually see telepathic tendency in brain scans, if they are even bothering to look for them, which they aren't... because they are too busy forcing it to fit whatever else they want, instead of ruling out other very obvious things.

Sorry, could you quote the parts you're talking about?

It's been some time since I went through it and am not sure, for example, who the Amazonian is.

Page 223-224 Ebook version
"Suppose someone discovered a society of native Amazonians who had previously eluded all contact with other peoples. And suppose that the discoverer was someone who himself had little knowledge of other cultures, and certainly no knowledge of U.S. culture. Suppose, next, that one of the Amazonians went into trance and started speaking in a language the explorer didn’t know. So the explorer records the utterances, has them translated, finds that they’re in English, and discovers that the Amazonian was claiming to be Knute Rockne, the famous football coach of Notre Dame. (And of course, let’s assume that we can rule out fraud and the other Usual Suspects.) At this point, English-speaking investigators interrogate the Amazonian, who answers them in English and responds in ways others recognize as idiosyncratically Rockneesque.

Based on these later interviews as well as the original recordings, we discover that the Amazonian displays a level of football knowledge comparable to that of Knute Rockne, and also a set of extensive apparent memories that Knute Rockne would be expected to have. We also find that the Amazonian displays Rockne’s distinctive mannerisms of speech, his customary posture, gait, gestures, facial expressions, and other physical characteristics, his apparently inspirational persona, and his peculiar attitudes on and emotions about various subjects. The Amazonian’s statements will thereby demonstrate a great deal of knowledge which neither he nor the investigators possessed beforehand—not just knowledge about Rockne himself, but also about his time and culture. For example, suppose that Knute Rockne had been a devout Democrat (I actually have no idea about this) and that the Amazonian appropriately expresses dismay at a Republican in the White House. And suppose the Amazonian displays a great and seasoned coach’s grasp of the subtleties of college football, not simply outside the scope of those investigating the case, but also beyond that of even ardent fans of the game. Moreover, suppose the Amazonian seems to know matters which only Rockne should have known, or which only he and close associates might have known (and which certainly no investigator of the case knew prior to lengthy follow-up investigation). For example, Knute Rockne would have known about scandals on his team that were concealed from the press. He would have had memories of games that he coached and specific memories of his players and their histories and skills. He would have had a vast reservoir of stories about specific plays in specific games, as well as stories about specific players. These would not simply be stories that could be substantiated; the Amazonian would offer an impressive quantity of stories, both substantiated and unsubstantiated. For example, Rockne was reportedly the only person who knew what “The Gipper” said upon his deathbed. Rockne told his team that the Gipper’s last words were “Win one for the Gipper.” But some think Rockne concocted the story to motivate his team after the Gipper’s s death. If the Amazonian native was really a medium for (or reincarnation of) Knute Rockne, then ideally he’d be able to resolve the debate over this incident.

Clearly, this case presents a number of features we’d look for in an ideal case."