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(2025-08-19, 04:39 PM)David001 Wrote: It seems to me that there are a number of areas in which science finds itself pitted against evidence that orthodox views are wrong. The response is to simply shun any real debate on these issues. This approach is effective in the short term, and here is an interesting example of one such debate on evolution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-KPfFPIaVU">

I think it is clear by the end, which side 'won'!

I see he has written several books, which one would you recommend for someone like me?

David
I'll check that debate tonight.  I want to find a good debate somewhere on the transitional fossil record.  I mostly find Kent Hovind debates when I try to search these types of things.

For Jurgen I'd recommend the book "multi-dimensional man."  He has another good one but the name of it escapes me at the moment.  At any rate, MDM is the one to get.  Regarding William Buhlman, I haven't read any of his books.  I've just watched a lot of his talks on Youtube (which are excellent) and conversed with him on Facebook and read many of his lengthy posts on there as well.  Of all anomalous phenomena it's the non-NDE OBE/astral travel stuff that I have always found the most fascinating.  Especially if their experiences are real.  If they are (and I tend to believe that they generally are), I think it might constitute the best data that we have, speaking in a broad and general sense.  I always wished that Alex and the Skeptiko boards paid it more attention. And there is a pretty fair to good amount of congruency in their reporting amongst many experiencers who seem sincere and credible.  Congruency in terms of how the experiences can be initiated (oftentimes via meditation, lucid dreaming, a traumatic event not of the NDE variety, or sleep paralysis etc.  There is also congruency (although less so) in terms of the nature of the experiences.    The experiences range from merely being able to lift your "astral finger" away from your "real finger" to walking to the corner of the room and looking back to see your body there in the bed, to visiting other dimensions (supposedly) to visiting people/friends/relatives living in afterlife realms.  

Of course Robert Monroe is the grandfather of all of his stuff.  His stuff makes for good fodder but it's very very watered down and can make for tedious reading.  Maybe I'll make a thread on this later general topic later. 

As a quick aside, I have a friend from high school who I am Facebook friends with who, as far as I know, has no interest in any of this stuff whatsoever who got into a car accident.  She never posts about anything paranormal whatsoever.  But she got into a serious car accident one day when a person ran a red light and smashed her car.  She wrote in her post that she saw the car coming and knew that she was about to get slammed and at that point time slowed down and she "lifted up out of her body and watched the accident from above." She was totally blown away and confused by this and says she has no explanation for it and seemed embarrassed to talk about it. And she drew a little diagram of the event and included it in her post.  After the impact she was immediately thrown back in her body and states that she never lost consciousness and was moderately injured.  And this ties back into the whole congruency in experience thing which I look for with experiencers in anomalous phenomena.  And this case specifically ties back to my comment earlier regarding OBE's/Astral travel consistency in reporting as I had mentioned that traumatic events can initiate OBE's. I don't believe that all of these people are reading other accounts of OBE's and copying them as they make up their own accounts. Like I don't believe that she, having no interest in the topic, did some casual reading on OBE's one day, and read about a small aspect of OBE's at that, then had a car accident, and then decided to use the car accident as a reason to fabricate a bizarre story on a Facebook post as she tied the OBE together with the car accident.

I've mainly mentioned earthly OBE's here.  But the rabbit hole goes deep and is hard to make sense of.

As another quick aside, Interestingly enough, also, a lot of mediums frequently report that their abilities are realized after traumas of some sort.  A lot of times this happens with abused children who realize abilities after being physically beaten by a parent or some sort of similar event. Trauma is also frequently implicated in the starting of poltergeist activity.  It is also implicated in hauntings obviously, namely traumas of the past ie-"the hauntings of the ghosts of the murdered"."  So there's also a congruency of factors across many different categories of anomalous phenomena. 

I realize that I just kind of went on a ramble there.  Anyways, hope you guys are having a good day.
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