Is physical mediumship fraudulent?

Do you mean the video presentation by Stewart Alexander?

Yea Thank you.

Any possibility of putting a link here? 

Still don't know what of the many threads it appeared in.

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Yea Thank you.

Any possibility of putting a link here? 

Still don't know what of the many threads it appeared in.

Here it is:
http://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-24...ml#pid3553

Here it is:
http://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-24...ml#pid3553

Obi-
If you haven't already, I'd recommend to watch this.

Could he be a fraud? Of course, anyone could be.

But what does your gut tell you about him? Go with that. IMO.

Again after-all, the fate of the world doesn't ride on this... 

Hi jkmac.
Ah now this is interesting. I haven't listened to the recording yet (I've just seen this and it's a bit late to start) but I do know people (very well) who have sat with him and, based on my opinion of their judgement, I do not think his work is fraudulent.

That said, I haven't heard any reports from them that indicate his mediumship is anywhere near the league of the people I have mentioned earlier. None of the people i know have heard anything significantly evidential of survival in their sittings with him (of course that doesn't mean other people haven't) but they have remarked on the physical phenomena which appear to significantly exceed what you reported recently, some if it with some degree of illumination.

Hi jkmac.
Ah now this is interesting. I haven't listened to the recording yet (I've just seen this and it's a bit late to start) but I do know people (very well) who have sat with him and, based on my opinion of their judgement, I do not think his work is fraudulent.

That said, I haven't heard any reports from them that indicate his mediumship is anywhere near the league of the people I have mentioned earlier.  None of the people i know have heard anything significantly evidential of survival in their sittings with him (of course that doesn't mean other people haven't) but they have remarked on the physical phenomena which appear to far exceed what you reported recently.

Agreed.

But you don't run into Babe Ruth or Pedro Martinez very often either,,, but they exist (or did) and they did very special things. Although we all can play a little baseball, it takes a special talent to rise to those highest levels. But because of people like them,  I DO know that some people can hit hundreds of home runs in a career, and some CAN throw the baseball over 100 miles per hour. 

My particular PM experience wasn't what many have seen from the same person (I am told), so I need to keep at it and see if I can witness it. But even if I can, it may not rise to the levels of the greats. That's OK. I just want to see something that I can feel comfortable saying, proves to me that this stuff can be done. I believe it from things like that video and many others, but I want to experience it first hand.

Obi-
If you haven't already, I'd recommend to watch this.

Could he be a fraud? Of course, anyone could be.

But what does your gut tell you about him? Go with that. IMO.

Again after-all, the fate of the world doesn't ride on this... 

Agreed.

But you don't run into Babe Ruth or Pedro Martinez very often either,,, but they exist (or did) and they did very special things. Although we all can play a little baseball, it takes a special talent to rise to those highest levels. But because of people like them,  I DO know that some people can hit hundreds of home runs in a career, and some CAN throw the baseball over 100 miles per hour. 

True but if there's no evidence of survival, for me it's not baseball
I'm not knocking it, it's just not what I am looking for.

True but if there's no evidence of survival, for me it's not baseball
I'm not knocking it, it's just not what I am looking for.

I was referring to your friends who were saying there was evidence. I was just saying that some demonstrations may not be as amazing as the great demonstrations, but they may be very evidential none the less.

I was referring to your friends who were saying there was evidence. I was just saying that some demonstrations may not be as amazing as the great demonstrations, but they may be very evidential none the less.

That's true. The evidential element often seems somewhat subjective to be honest. What I find convincing, you may not. As long as I'm not determined to persuade you I'm right, and you're wrong I'm not sure it really matters. In fact, in terms of survival evidence, its often the tiny seemingly inconsequential things that persuade people. Nevertheless, for survival evidence imho it's the content that counts, not the show wrapped around it. In that sense, for me, a great demonstration would be one with good evidence of survival which is what I was referring to with the mediums I cited.

Re apports.  Is it claimed that the spirits produce these or is it a talent of the medium?  I'm trying to understand who has this miraculous power to produce items out of thin air.  It all seems so far fetched to me and smacks of conjuring.

I share your scepticism on this. I wouldn't have believed anything like that could happen until I'd personally witnessed a couple of really strange events (not during mediumship but still basically similar in bizarreness). If I'm honest, I still doubt my own experience now. I think I would have preferred what happened to me, not to have happened  because I don't have an explanation and it's unnerving. I know it's of no value to anyone else though.