Indridi Indridason's contact with Emil Jensen

whoa i found that Weaver paper online, usually you need an SPR membership for this stuff. recommended to everyone: https://ia800307.us.archive.org/20/items...Weaver.pdf

I'm guessing I'm not the only person here who thinks paranormal phenomena are real and is kind of deflated by the info that Max gave us. The consolation here I guess is that there were always a few things limiting the evidential quality of Indridi's mediumship and giving grounds for suspicion:

1. He basically only performed in the dark.
2. Not many people investigated him, and I think only one intellectually serious skeptic is known to have sat with him. Most of the people who sat with him were insiders/friends it seems like.
3. His mediumship only occurred over a few years, so given that alone opportunities to investigate him were more limited than various other physical mediums.

I generally suspect fraud in physical mediumship cases so not too disappointed this one seems to have holes.

That said Jensen as a drop in was a good mediumship case...

I generally suspect fraud in physical mediumship cases so not too disappointed this one seems to have holes.

That said Jensen as a drop in was a good mediumship case...

That's exactly the reason why I did the research, and later contacted Haraldsson. The Jensen drop in case, was a strong case, and I investigated it because the particular phenomena doesn't fit well with my ideas.

Haraldsson's research has been very challenging in the past, for example, the case of an apparition of a dead crew member on board an Icelandic fishing trawler at sea*, forced me to abandon earlier ideas, and I had to start over again. Another was the case of two sons who were 'followed' by the apparition of an old lady. When the father - a Psychiatrist at a mental hospital - returned home, the sons described the apparition of the old lady, who the father recognised as the description of a long term patient who had died that very day, and who's death had been on his mind all day.*

*The Departed Among the Living: An Investigative Study of Afterlife Encounters.

I generally suspect fraud in physical mediumship cases so not too disappointed this one seems to have holes.

That said Jensen as a drop in was a good mediumship case...

Agreed. I definitely would've named it as one of the "best ever" spontaneous psi cases if someone had asked me and I'd remembered it at the time. That's pretty much why it getting killed off is unfortunate.

That's exactly the reason why I did the research, and later contacted Haraldsson. The Jensen drop in case, was a strong case, and I investigated it because the particular phenomena doesn't fit well with my ideas.

Haraldsson's research has been very challenging in the past, for example, the case of an apparition of a dead crew member on board an Icelandic fishing trawler at sea*, forced me to abandon earlier ideas, and I had to start over again. Another was the case of two sons who were 'followed' by the apparition of an old lady. When the father - a Psychiatrist at a mental hospital - returned home, the sons described the apparition of the old lady, who the father recognised as the description of a long term patient who had died that very day, and who's death had been on his mind all day.*

*The Departed Among the Living: An Investigative Study of Afterlife Encounters.

Do those cases hold up under scrutiny? After the Baba stuff and now this I'm a bit hesitant to accept Haraldsson's research "as is."

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I think the most evidential physical medium of all time is D.D. Home because of how often his seances were in light including daylight.

RV, you sound very familiar with this area. How would you compare Leslie Flint to Home?

RV, you sound very familiar with this area. How would you compare Leslie Flint to Home?

sadly I know almost nothing about him. I do know he was a relatively recent medium having survived almost into the 21st century. I know a lot less about recent mediums than older ones.

Agreed. I definitely would've named it as one of the "best ever" spontaneous psi cases if someone had asked me and I'd remembered it at the time. That's pretty much why it getting killed off is unfortunate.

Do those cases hold up under scrutiny? After the Baba stuff and now this I'm a bit hesitant to accept Haraldsson's research "as is."

Departed Among the Living is getting stories from people after a survey. I think it's fine.

The Sai Baba stuff...I feel like there is a great deal of bias for and against anyone able to produce "miracles" using Psi...

Departed Among the Living is getting stories from people after a survey. I think it's fine.

The Sai Baba stuff...I feel like there is a great deal of bias for and against anyone able to produce "miracles" using Psi...

Yeah I had trouble assessing the Sai Baba debate because of the extreme polarization involved and the unfamiliar context. But what troubled me was finding this piece published in 1999, among others, that has some pretty troubling criticisms, because Haraldsson doesn't address them in any serious way in the latest edition of his Baba book: https://robertpriddy.wordpress.com/2017/...phenomena/.

Yeah I had trouble assessing the Sai Baba debate because of the extreme polarization involved and the unfamiliar context. But what troubled me was finding this piece published in 1999, among others, that has some pretty troubling criticisms, because Haraldsson doesn't address them in any serious way in the latest edition of his Baba book: https://robertpriddy.wordpress.com/2017/...phenomena/.

Oh I do strongly lean toward Sai Baba [being] a fraud but both skeptics and the religious have a reason to deny any & all feats, especially if he was of dubious character but still capable of "miracles".

Even the merest conjuration and mildest healing cast doubt on miracles.

Looking back over this, something that's really suspicious is what looks like a lack of contemporaneous reports. The earliest source Haraldsson cites on the Jensen/Copenhagen fire event is from 1910, 5 years after it allegedly happened. Another is even later: 1922. You'd think if they'd witnessed such an amazing mediumistic communication and it was confirmed to be fully accurate the very next day, the Indridi group would've immediately spread the news far and wide in Iceland and published the documentary proof. The fact, if it's a fact, that they didn't do that makes it seem like they had something to hide and restricted the whole thing to the witnesses at the seance they were hoaxing. Probably if it'd been made public an Indridi skeptic affiliated with a different newspaper would've pointed out the Marconi transmission that we know thanks to Max was published in at least one newspaper on the 25th reporting the fire. The other possibility is that there really are contemporaneous reports of Indridi's supposed mediumistic contact with Jensen on the 24th but Haraldsson just didn't find them in his archival searching.