Discussion split from: NDE Multimedia Resource Thread

I don’t know, and to be honest, I am not that interested. I don’t think we’re ever able to do things like this in our present state, but have little doubt that the rules change significantly in other dimensions. That’s why I can see the possibilities of such states being involved in alien abductions, or even seeing UFOs and so on. 

The event certainly seems to have changed her a lot. Would the medical fraternity treat such cases with sympathy? Or would they, as they often appear to do, put her on heavy medication?

One thing that possibly makes me slightly cynical, is the price of her book on Amazon. £13+ and £8+ on kindle. The price may be set by the publishers, but it’s still pricey. More Bezos than Jesus? 

The research on NDE's in Germany, seems to be picking up at a pace now, Stan. But I don't obviously know how they treat patients who report these experiences over there. I would expect it's just the same as here or in the USA; patients don't usually say anything whilst there in the facility, unless they're asked. 

I don't like the commercialism you mention either. I understand though that she needs to earn a living after she gave up her previous life, selling up everything, business, houses, cars.. the lot and got divorced. She's got to get some money from somewhere.

The research on NDE's in Germany, seems to be picking up at a pace now, Stan.

Yes, there appears to be at least two great German NDE channels on YouTube. 

I wonder why they’re able to find a lot of quality people to interview? Or if there’s the same potential in many other countries? It’s encouraging to see. 

I don’t know, and to be honest, I am not that interested. I don’t think we’re ever able to do things like this in our present state, but have little doubt that the rules change significantly in other dimensions. That’s why I can see the possibilities of such states being involved in alien abductions, or even seeing UFOs and so on. 

The event certainly seems to have changed her a lot. Would the medical fraternity treat such cases with sympathy? Or would they, as they often appear to do, put her on heavy medication?

One thing that possibly makes me slightly cynical, is the price of her book on Amazon. £13+ and £8+ on kindle. The price may be set by the publishers, but it’s still pricey. More Bezos than Jesus? 

I don’t think she’s doing this to sell books. I mean should could be of course, but it seems to be putting the cart before the horse. I don’t object to her making money from her experience. Isn’t that what you did when you were a pilot Stan? Lol

As with all personal experiences, I tend to file it as interesting but not conclusive. It may well be that her experience was all that it appeared to her to be. I have no way of knowing.

I’ve written two books since I had my stroke, taking away my income as a pilot. Our income was chopped by at least 75%. They are priced at £4.99 and £2.99. My intention was to cover the cost, nothing more. The books we’re talking about just seem a bit expensive to me.

I’ve written two books since I had my stroke, taking away my income as a pilot. Our income was chopped by at least 75%. They are priced at £4.99 and £2.99. My intention was to cover the cost, nothing more. The books we’re talking about just seem a bit expensive to me.

I guess they’re prob about mid-range, maybe a bit on the dear side. I guess if you’re on a mission you might price them to sell. I don't know how one decides how to price a book. I’d be interested if your books made you much money (but I’d be pleased for you) what were they about? (Am I right in thinking one was about your flying career?).

I guess they’re prob about mid-range, maybe a bit on the dear side. I guess if you’re on a mission you might price them to sell. I don't know how one decides how to price a book. I’d be interested if your books made you much money (but I’d be pleased for you) what were they about? (Am I right in thinking one was about your flying career?).

I have probably made enough on the first one to cover my expenses when putting it together, well, a fair percentage anyhow. The second has sold maybe fifty copies. I’m guessing, but not many in any case. I’m in a better position financially now than I was when they were published. I might drop the price on the second one completely, but I think money is not what’s holding them back. I’ve done little or no publicising of them at all. 

You’re right, the first one was about my life up to the stroke, and was largely about my flying. The second is called Choices:One Man’s Spiritual Journey, and it starts when I had the stroke and tells about my recovery and the first few years post stroke. Very different books really, but I’m quite proud of both. I have been writing a third for a couple of years, but I’m struggling with it. Events are unfolding quicker than I can write about them!!! 

Regarding my quote by Jane in her video above; ”...you just allow everything to be as it is”...I wonder if it’s meant to apply on this earthly dimension when they hear this concept or if some people automatically assume it does? It appears so ‘perfect’ wherever it is that they go (in the main) that it would be easy to accept in that dimension. After all, what is there to complain about?

What might be the point of earthly experiences if we were all ‘enlightened’ to that degree? Would we still need to come here and ‘suffer’, if that’s what it really takes to ‘grow’?

For all of mankind to accept everything, even if it were hell on earth, is a bit of a difficult concept to fully come to terms with, for me. However, that does appear to be the direction my ego is being shown to try to follow. It’s like my soul is on one shoulder whispering into my ear, while my ego is on the other doing it’s ‘thang’, while doing its best to ignore me. Kind of like a typical teenager! 

To add to the above, the teenager bit at the end has me thinking...

I think that on this plane, the message in the quote should be viewed with a certain nuance. 

My teenage daughter is displaying some selfish tendencies, reminding me of me at that age. So should I simply ‘allow it to be as it is’ or should I lovingly try to persuade her that 1) She does indeed have a selfish side to her. 2) Reducing such traits would be a positive thing to do, for her sake. 

I think we should face our responsibilities face on, and do what we can. Its important to stress that I don’t think it should be a form of punishment, rather a persuading. After all, she might have picked such tendencies up by watching her parents! Maybe we have taught her to be selfish? I think we have. It’s maybe one of the traps that can befall parents of ‘an only child’.

I am reminded that nothing is straightforward, a lot of things have such nuance. So would people that have good intent, but end up doing more harm, be better following this path of doing nothing, but letting things be? Perhaps my wife and I may do more harm than good, while wishing only the best for our daughter? 

I don’t know, I just have to do my best. This life is designed to be full of such ‘choices’. There is surely wisdom in Niebuhr’s Serenity prayer...

God, give me the grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed, Courage to change the things I can, and the Wisdom to know one from the other.

[Laird]

Hey Steve, I haven't watched the video, so I haven't seen the context of the quote, but re your musings upon it, here are my own thoughts:

Everything that we do has some effect on "what is" while we are immersed in it - even if what we do is sit still, silently meditating - there is no way to dissociate ourselves from the rest of reality and thus "let it be as it is". The only question is what effect we will choose to have.

Choices, huh?...

Everything that we do has some effect on "what is" while we are immersed in it - even if what we do is sit still, silently meditating - there is no way to dissociate ourselves from the rest of reality and thus "let it be as it is". The only question is what effect we will choose to have.

I didn’t quite follow your last sentence. If we really don’t know what any effect may be, how can we sensibly choose?