Consciousness restored in man after 15 years in vegetative state

The question in my mind is for how long do I keep the faith that Tim and many others have convinced themselves of when I have not in my lifetime not seen?

Have you looked?

The person on life support chose that course including the experience of it rendered by the (in)actions of others who also agreed to play the part that they have. Just as your co-creation with your attorney.

What's bad about that?

The only problem pssst. Is that you can (and do from what I can see) use that line any time anything happens. It becomes a meaningless mantra. 

Do you think it adds anything to the conversation when you say it?

I mean I could say it after really ANY post and what would it really mean? Nothing except: what happens is supposed to happen. 

Even if it is true, monotonically saying it serves no purpose that I can see. 

But, then again, I guess I was supposed to say that...

Have you looked?

In my youth I hung out with people that were just  like you and Tim and Alex.... .

?? Really?? 

Uh, I don't know, perhaps a second, a third and a forth witness testify to seeing the same thing...

The definition of corroboration is- "to make more certain", right?

We were speaking of personal experience of the kind told by NDE. That's impossible to corroborate.

We were speaking of personal experience of the kind told by NDE. That's impossible to corroborate.

I was not referring to NDEs in my post. I was trying to understand when facts become facts. But you seem to have no interest in having a conversation I guess. You just want to keep hammering on the fact that every NDE story is a separate fallible story that can be ignored because it is only one event. 

Maybe someday evidence will appear that satisfies your level of acceptance,, but I rather doubt it.

Pssst Wrote: The person on life support chose that course including the experience of it rendered by the (in)actions of others who also agreed to play the part that they have. Just as your co-creation with your attorney.


What's bad about that?

The only problem pssst. Is that you can (and do from what I can see) use that line any time anything happens. It becomes a meaningless mantra. Do you think it adds anything to the conversation when you say it?
I mean I could say it after really ANY post and what would it really mean? Nothing except: what happens is supposed to happen. Even if it is true, monotonically saying it serves no purpose that I can see. 

But, then again, I guess I was supposed to say that...

Perfectly correct, "use that line any time anything happens". Any time anything happens you have a choice. Choose as you wish.

It's not my responsibility to "add to the conversation" b/c it is up to others whether I do or do not. I have found that if I do what excites me, as best as I can, everything else falls into place. I'm excited to be here, what comes of that is not in my control.

Your life has been pre-planned. i. e. there are major themes that you are here to explore that You set in motion. This conversation we are having is part and parcel of that plan. How you view our discourses is entirely up to you and is exactly as you should.

I was not referring to NDEs in my post. I was trying to understand when facts become facts. But you seem to have no interest in having a conversation I guess. You just want to keep hammering on the fact that every NDE story is a separate fallible story that can be ignored because it is only one event. 

Maybe someday evidence will appear that satisfies your level of acceptance,, but I rather doubt it.

Then look up the legal definition.
More or less we  were.  Tim wrote: "If you read the testimony of people who have recovered from comas, there are a variety of experiences occurring all while the patient looks 'dead' to the world. Many coma patients report being out of their bodies and able to see everything that is going on. They also report going in and out of this reality into another reality. It's quite common.  I would recommend Madeleine Lawrence's book "In a world of their own"

Pssst Wrote: The person on life support chose that course including the experience of it rendered by the (in)actions of others who also agreed to play the part that they have. Just as your co-creation with your attorney.


What's bad about that?


Perfectly correct, "use that line any time anything happens". Any time anything happens you have a choice. Choose as you wish.

It's not my responsibility to "add to the conversation" b/c it is up to others whether I do or do not. I have found that if I do what excites me, as best as I can, everything else falls into place. I'm excited to be here, what comes of that is not in my control.

Your life has been pre-planned. i. e. there are major themes that you are here to explore that You set in motion. This conversation we are having is part and parcel of that plan. How you view our discourses is entirely up to you and is exactly as you should.

I'm pretty sure you know that I believe this too. So that's not the point. 

However: I believe that on a day to day basic we also do have free will. Which means we do make choices that may or may not be in alignment with the theme and major milestones of our life, that WE planned ourselves and which we MAY or MAY NOT make happen through our actions.

So although we have a plan, we do NOT have a script. So assessing our own actions as we go along is important so we can use our intuition (aka- higher self) to assess our progress and correct our course. If we simply shrug our shoulders at every turn and assume that this was "supposed to happen" we become passive and complacent and disconnected from the process of living. Not only is that a bad way to live (in my mind) it also dulls our capacity for managing our way.

It seems like you are saying we don't need to keep our hand on the steering wheel and that the car will just steer itself, maybe that works for you intellectually and philosophically, but it doesn't for me.

Perhaps you should look at it this way: I am "supposed to" question these things. That is MY path.

Perhaps that is how the world actually works. If everyone sat around with a vague passive smile on their face, sitting in the middle of the road, blocking traffic, mumbling that all is "as it should be", the world would be a disfunctional mess for everyone. You wouldn't have your trash picked up, or running water in your apartment. 

It's just annoying to the players on the field making things happen, that there are some who sit on the sidelines saying this to them and smugly saying that they needn't play the game at all. Because those people on the sidelines get to have it both ways. They can be passive and accepting of whatever happens, while poking fun at those who are doing, while also benefiting from the fact that those idiots are doing stuff like driving ambulances and providing the infrastructure for them to live a life.

Sometimes that smugness is a real annoyance.

In my youth I hung out with people that were just  like you and Tim and Alex.... .

I'm not even going to ask what that could possibly mean. Sounds vaguely like an insult...

I'm not even going to ask what that could possibly mean. Sounds vaguely like an insult...

No insult. Just stating what I did. I used them as examples because we all know them.