Commentary thread for tim's "NDE's" thread

And here is part 6:

And here is "My Video final nde":

Hope this hasn’t been posted already.

Hope this hasn’t been posted already.

It's been around on youtube
I've found Raymond Moody's vids particularly interesting as of late
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWPUBz_EWYc&t=2598s

Absolutely horrifying, nightmarish Russian NDE with visions of eternal hell. It's the second Russian NDE of that nature I've seen. She is describing various parts of hell where the sinners are tortured eternally for different sins. I haven't herd an NDE this horrible from Western experiencers. Is this cultural, religion-based idiosyncrasy? If it is, why htose affect our perception of the afterlife? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xnBYdMUNVQ

What was the actual veridical content?

What was the actual veridical content?

There were no veridical components; she was in a car accident in 82, went into clinical death and had an NDE. As I said, in her NDE there were visions of hell and a stern voice coming from somewhere was narrating the sins of different groups of sinners: drunks, perverts, killers, etc, etc. Really weird and terrifying.

Do we know any background to the events leading upto the car accident, the car accident itself, and what happened immediately afterwards? Rescue services, police, cause of accident. Sorry don’t speak Russian.

She was driving on a highway and had a frontal collision with another car. She was driven to a hospital where she had a cardiac arrest and pronounced dead. She found herself floating above her body seeing the doctors pronouncing her dead. Then she was pulled into a grey tunnel, which she describes as a very unpleasant experience. On the other end she sees a tall man with horrifying eyes who tried to grab her. Another man shows up and gets between them. The "man with terrible eyes" disappears. To make the story short, the "saviour" takes her to all these hellish places where he tell her who suffers for which sin. After all this, she was sucked back into her body in the hospital.

There were no veridical components; she was in a car accident in 82, went into clinical death and had an NDE. As I said, in her NDE there were visions of hell and a stern voice coming from somewhere was narrating the sins of different groups of sinners: drunks, perverts, killers, etc, etc. Really weird and terrifying.

The language used, "the sins of different groups of sinners" implies a judgemental viewpoint. If we just think of one another as people, fellow human beings rather than sinners, I suspect that would give a substantial difference in what is perceived.

The question in this instance then, is whether that judgement arises from some independent external and judgemental being, or does it arise within the mind of the experiencer? It seems curious to me, since many NDEs seem to convey a very different type of message. Is that too coming from the mind of the experiencer?

The language used, "the sins of different groups of sinners" implies a judgemental viewpoint. If we just think of one another as people, fellow human beings rather than sinners, I suspect that would give a substantial difference in what is perceived.

The question in this instance then, is whether that judgement arises from some independent external and judgemental being, or does it arise within the mind of the experiencer? It seems curious to me, since many NDEs seem to convey a very different type of message. Is that too coming from the mind of the experiencer?

That's why I thought that her perceptions was affected by her religious beliefs: She claims that her "guide", some sort of a divine entity, was describing to her the "sinners" and their "punishment!". She also comes upon a group f children, an is informed that they were aborted. She asked whether she was gonna be punished for her abortions (in the USSR abortions were like a sort of a pass time, women used to have numerous abortions in their life time). Her "guides" didn't respond to that question.