Christof Koch on NDEs

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(2020-06-02, 01:49 PM)Smithy Wrote: After all, it is only one in six people who are clinically dead, that experience an NDE.

Perhaps more experience them, but don’t remember them?
Oh my God, I hate all this.   Surprise
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(2020-06-02, 03:41 PM)tim Wrote: I've mentioned this before, Smithy (you will remember). Evert Ter Beek is a very good example of the random nature of actually having a near death experience. He had four close run ins with his heart (arrests and attacks) before on the fifth reporting a NDE. 

Pam Reynolds had to undergo a second operation on her brain only two weeks after the first one (another aneurysm apparently). No second NDE.

Goodness! Now you are telling something new for me, i.e. that Pam had a second operation!
What is the source of this knowledge, please tell me.

Cheers - Smithy.
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(2020-06-02, 03:46 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: Perhaps more experience them, but don’t remember them?

That is still the big big big question...
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(2020-06-03, 10:07 AM)Smithy Wrote: Goodness! Now you are telling something new for me, i.e. that Pam had a second operation!
What is the source of this knowledge, please tell me.

Cheers - Smithy.

Judy Bachrach's book, Glimpsing heaven, Smithy. The second operation also caused her to have a stroke from which she recovered.

Bachrach interviewed Pam's daughter and husband.
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It seems that Koch's responses are being paraded around in snippets everywhere on these 'scientific' news sites. The latest example misleadingly implies he's said something new, but it's just quoting the same article.

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2020/...-blissful/

What were these journalists thinking? Koch doesn't explain whatsoever why NDEs aren't always blissful. He gives a vague and very flawed explanation of the phenomena that blatantly doesn't address aspects of NDEs that don't fit his outdated theory. The worst part about this? This website claims to be advocating for 'science not ideology'. Ugh...
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"Like a town that loses power one neighbourhood at a time, local regions of the brain go offline one after another. The mind, whose substrate is whichever neurons remain capable of generating electrical activity, does what it always does: it tells a story shaped by the person’s experience, memory and cultural expectations."

This is the kind of nonsense that finds it way onto message boards all over the net. 

They're trying to suggest that individual parts of the brain shut down at different times (after cardiac arrest) thereby enabling some lobe somewhere, doesn't matter which (lobe) or where it is, to suddenly spring into action, independent of the brain as a whole, and take over the role of producing consciousness/awareness, experience and memory formation. 

Even though this goes against everything that is understood by current neuroscience. (Apparently all our thoughts, reasoning and memory formation, everything that makes us human, is all put together in the neo cortex, the top part of the brain)

...and in addition, even though after cardiac arrest, the brain stem stops functioning too, within seconds (according to experts) which takes the whole brain off line anyway, they would rather entertain senseless speculation, than entertain the notion that there could be a separable mind.

And that's what genuine researchers are up against.
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