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Mere imitation

Deepak P

Quote:Yet it would be wrong to think that AI’s obsession with superficial imitation is recent. The imitation paradigm has been entrenched in the core of AI right from the start of the discipline. To unpack and understand how contemporary culture came to applaud an imitation-focused technology, we must go back to the very early days of AI’s history and trace its evolution over the decades...
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell


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I think the biggest danger with AI isn't the AI itself but people believing it is inerrant and putting too much trust in it.  People's reliance on technology is already frightening and here in Gothenburg at least, the streets are full of people who don't even seem to know that there is a real world around them because they are buried in their smart phones all day.  Personally I wonder what it is that they find so enticing that it requires constant attention but I think they build up a virtual world that they feel safe in.  I think this effect is going to get worse and it doesn't surprise me in the least that a businessman like Trump wants to take away restrictions and safeguards when there is so much potential money in it.
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A nice ramble on the problem of AI. It reads through a linked article that requires payment. But he rambles so you don't have to pay to read. Smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV29EASsoUY
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(2024-08-18, 07:25 AM)Valmar Wrote: A nice ramble on the problem of AI. It reads through a linked article that requires payment. But he rambles so you don't have to pay to read. Smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV29EASsoUY

Haven't heard Primagen's rant yet lol [to be clear I'm a fan]....but this is something I've been thinking about. AI Art (oxymoron since AI is not an artist in any way) will degenerate without exploitation of human artists and their Creativity.

Becomes more clear why we haven't been [credibly] contacted by alien life, if older civilizations made the wrong choices at these crossroads...
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell


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(2024-08-18, 04:58 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: Haven't heard Primagen's rant yet lol [to be clear I'm a fan]....but this is something I've been thinking about. AI Art (oxymoron since AI is not an artist in any way) will degenerate without exploitation of human artists and their Creativity.

Becomes more clear why we haven't been [credibly] contacted by alien life, if older civilizations made the wrong choices at these crossroads...

Indeed, it's all too very plausible, haha.
“Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.”
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AI companies are pivoting from creating gods to building products. Good.

Arvind Narayanan and Sayash Kapoor

Quote:AI companies are collectively planning to spend a trillion dollars on hardware and data centers, but there’s been relatively little to show for it so far. This has led to a chorus of concerns that generative AI is a bubble. We won’t offer any predictions on what’s about to happen. But we think we have a solid diagnosis of how things got to this point in the first place.

In this post, we explain the mistakes that AI companies have made and how they have been trying to correct them. Then we will talk about five barriers they still have to overcome in order to make generative AI commercially successful enough to justify the investment.
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell


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Using language model technology for household robot behavior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ccPTpDq05A

9:24

once you have all

that data you can try to compress that

into a very powerful model that

generally understands the structure of

that data in language modeling this is

achieved by basically predicting the

next word and you can think analogously

if you're able to transform robot data

into a similar format you can also

predict what comes next as a way to

distill the intelligence about the data

in the world into a single model you

basically take data around is this good

or is this bad and you um align the

model to be generally generating good

behaviors rather than arbitrary

behaviors and so that's the basic

approach we're taking at the 1X AI team
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One difference between biological intelligence and artificial intelligence is that biological intelligence uses much less energy.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...ectricity/

Quote:The AI Boom Could Use a Shocking Amount of Electricity

Powering artificial intelligence models takes a lot of energy. A new analysis demonstrates just how big the problem could become

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A continuation of the current trends in AI capacity and adoption are set to lead to NVIDIA shipping 1.5 million AI server units per year by 2027. These 1.5 million servers, running at full capacity, would consume at least 85.4 terawatt-hours of electricity annually—more than what many small countries use in a year, according to the new assessment.
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(2024-09-04, 10:01 AM)Jim_Smith Wrote: One difference between biological intelligence and artificial intelligence is that biological intelligence uses much less energy.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...ectricity/

www.nist.gov/blogs/taking-measure/brain-inspired-computing-can-help-us-create-faster-more-energy-efficient

Quote:Even though modern AI hardware systems can perform tremendous feats of cognitive intelligence, such as beating the best human player of Go, a complex strategy game, such systems take tens of thousands of watts of power to run. On the other hand, the human Go grandmaster’s brain is only consuming 20 watts of power. 
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(2024-09-04, 04:49 PM)Jim_Smith Wrote: Even though modern AI hardware systems can perform tremendous feats of cognitive intelligence, such as beating the best human player of Go, a complex strategy game, such systems take tens of thousands of watts of power to run. On the other hand, the human Go grandmaster’s brain is only consuming 20 watts of power.

Also... the AI runs calculations for all possible moves, whereas the human mind does not need to consider all possibilities, just the relevant ones. Besides that, brains don't function like computers, so the power differences are quite meaningless.
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