A Divine quote?

Don't bother answering, Stan. It’s pointless.

I forgive you. 

Because maybe consciousness, which we don't understand, isn't rational in the traditional sense?  Maybe the man's considerations include things that aren't purely material (i.e., "same history, same moment, same situation"); perhaps there are other variables.

Yeah maybe, give or take some special pleading.

I mean why are you presupposing that the man's actions would be the same each time?  What's your evidence for this presupposition?

Have you ever trained, I mean really trained, a dog?

Let me put it like this:

A man is presented with a situation and acts in a certain way.

Given the same man, given the same history and presented with the same situation, at the same moment, can we realistically expect him to act any differently. 

If yes, why would he?

At the root of ecology is the idea of homeostasis within the environment from feedback loops that recycle materials, energy, information and mindful behavior.  Since all of thinking is based on decoding real-world probabilities, I see no gain in an impossible thought-experiment.  Any two real-world occurrences are in different contexts, especially when two minds are involved.

She/he would make a better decision (action) with better understanding from more comprehensive mentation.

According to many NDE researchers, the type of character you are, seems to bear little or no relation to whether or not you have a hellish experience.

Wait - do you mean you'll have a hellish experience in the afterlife even if you're a good person or rather a good person can experience Hell as an NDE?

I assume the latter - it would be quite disturbing to think the assignment to Hell, if such a place exists, is nothing but random...

At the root of ecology is the idea of homeostasis within the environment from feedback loops that recycle materials, energy, information and mindful behavior.  Since all of thinking is based on decoding real-world probabilities, I see no gain in an impossible thought-experiment.  Any two real-world occurrences are in different contexts, especially when two minds are involved.

She/he would make a better decision (action) with better understanding from more comprehensive mentation.

Even if the conditionals are the same, we'd have to explain why the first outcome happened to decide whether it is realistic/rational for the outcome to vary over iterations of those conditions.

Why I suggested, some months ago, to start with something much simpler than conscious decision making...like a brick hitting a window...

Forgiveness doesn’t mean not facing the repercussions does it?

Wait - do you mean you'll have a hellish experience in the afterlife even if you're a good person or rather a good person can experience Hell as an NDE?

I assume the latter - it would be quite disturbing to think the assignment to Hell, if such a place exists, is nothing but random...

Sci, Why would you precede your comment with "Wait" --do you actually  suspect I'm trying to pull a 'fast one' or something ?

Secondly, I'm just curious, nothing else. Why would someone of your intellect even ask that question ? You know the answer; because it's been pointed out by NDE experts (not me, I'm just a bloke on a forum) for more than a decade.

According to many NDE researchers, the type of character you are, seems to bear little or no relation to whether or not you have a hellish experience. Of course, it's unlikely that "murderers" etc have actually been interviewed after an NDE. In fact I could produce some literature relative to that but I would prefer not to go there.

I don't know if there is or isn't a direct correlation between the level of obnoxiousness (shall we say) and one's destination. I suspect there isn't, if it's just obnoxiousness.  But as I do suspect there is probably a place describable as hell, I would be surprised if some of the things that some human beings have done, didn't make them a prime candidate, shall we say. And I don't like being judgemental but I don't know how else to make the point.

I forgive you. 

No, Stan, I forgive you (for your inaccurate posts)

Yeah maybe, give or take some special pleading.

Have you ever trained, I mean really trained, a dog?

Have you ever trained, I mean really trained, a dog?

What's the significance of the "really" word in that sentence , Malf ? You wouldn't be trying to rule out the possibility that a "really" trained dog might still not be "really" trained. How could we ever arrive at such a definition and expect to be confident about it ?

It's basically just an anecdotal opinion.

Sci, Why would you precede your comment with "Wait" --do you actually  suspect I'm trying to pull a 'fast one' or something ?

Secondly, I'm just curious, nothing else. Why would someone of your intellect even ask that question ? You know the answer; because it's been pointed out by NDE experts (not me, I'm just a bloke on a forum) for more than a decade.

According to many NDE researchers, the type of character you are, seems to bear little or no relation to whether or not you have a hellish experience. Of course, it's unlikely that "murderers" etc have actually been interviewed after an NDE. In fact I could produce some literature relative to that but I would prefer not to go there.

I don't know if there is or isn't a direct correlation between the level of obnoxiousness (shall we say) and one's destination. I suspect there isn't, if it's just obnoxiousness.  But as I do suspect there is probably a place describable as hell, I would be surprised if some of the things that some human beings have done, didn't make them a prime candidate, shall we say. And I don't like being judgemental but I don't know how else to make the point.

Ah the "Wait" was an expression of surprise, not suspicion. Sorry if it seemed offensive wasn't my intent.

I've read about hellish NDEs but I'd never gotten the impression that they suggested damnation could just be random. I think I just misread your post as that doesn't seem to be what you're saying either.