6.37 sigma replication of Dean Radin's double slit consciousness experiments

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(2017-09-04, 05:35 AM)Max_B Wrote: This Dean Radin doesn't apparently remember his own papers accurately... he definately doesn't use headphones for all these studies. Dunno why he would mention the different remote study, when that's not the one we're discussing. As for Guerrer's study, he finds no significant statistical difference between experiments when a subject is in the room, or when they run the identical controls after they have left, and the test room is empty.

I don't get the point of the sweeping statement. Why is the result of "all these studies" relevant? IMO, only those that actually influenced the setup of Guerrer's study should be, at least for the purpose of this thread.
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(2017-09-04, 05:35 AM)Max_B Wrote: This Dean Radin doesn't apparently remember his own papers accurately... he definately doesn't use headphones for all these studies. Dunno why he would mention the different remote study, when that's not the one we're discussing. As for Guerrer's study, he finds no significant statistical difference between experiments when a subject is in the room, or when they run the identical controls after they have left, and the test room is empty.

He definitely doesn't? You're sure of this? Why should we take your word over his? 

You mean in the relax condition vs the control condition? Or are you now claiming that there's no difference at all between humans and the control and that the results are made up?
(2017-09-04, 05:35 AM)Max_B Wrote: This Dean Radin doesn't apparently remember his own papers accurately... he definately doesn't use headphones for all these studies. Dunno why he would mention the different remote study, when that's not the one we're discussing. As for Guerrer's study, he finds no significant statistical difference between experiments when a subject is in the room, or when they run the identical controls after they have left, and the test room is empty.

He's mentioned the distance experiment as there's was no sound equipment in the room with the measuring device but the results were still significant. Face it, you're criticisms and nasty insinuations of fraud are false.
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(2017-09-04, 05:35 AM)Max_B Wrote: As for Guerrer's study, he finds no significant statistical difference between experiments when a subject is in the room, or when they run the identical controls after they have left, and the test room is empty.

If I understand correctly, in Guerrer's study the baseline drifts quite a lot during each session (participant or control), and this drift has to be removed before comparisons can be made. So he can't compare measurements within different sessions. In particular, he can't compare the participant sessions with the control sessions - he can only compare the participant "intention" condition with the participant "relax" condition, and the the control "intention" condition with the control "relax" condition. He finds a significant difference for the first comparison, and a non-significant difference for the second.
(2017-09-04, 07:57 AM)Chris Wrote: If I understand correctly, in Guerrer's study the baseline drifts quite a lot during each session (participant or control), and this drift has to be removed before comparisons can be made. So he can't compare measurements within different sessions. In particular, he can't compare the participant sessions with the control sessions - he can only compare the participant "intention" condition with the participant "relax" condition, and the the control "intention" condition with the control "relax" condition. He finds a significant difference for the first comparison, and a non-significant difference for the second.

What I wonder is isn't the goal when setting up a control to have the two sessions be identical except for the variable being investigated?

What about an experiment where the control involves the same person but they are given a different task instead of concentrating on the double slit. Say instruct them to memorize a word list. The instructions for both could be given on a computer screen rather than audio headphones to avoid those problems. The experimenter could even be blind as to which session is which. 

It would be interesting to see if a blind judge, or a computer analysis could figure out which was which. 

Another version could be the computer assigns the subjects randomly to either concertrate on 1 or 0, or up or down whatever the case may be. With the experimenter blind to which. And again a blind analysis to see if can correctly ascertain which was which. 

I'm sure it's more complicated, the point being to design the experiment so only 1 variable is changed between subject and control.
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(2017-09-04, 05:35 AM)Max_B Wrote: This Dean Radin [...]

If you are implying that "this" Dean Radin is not the real Dean Radin, then I can assure you that you are categorically wrong. At another member's request, I contacted Dean by email on his publicised email address (@noetic.org) to let him know about your criticisms in this thread and he (Dean) confirmed in an email reply that he had posted his response to the forum.
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