(2024-12-23, 05:19 PM)Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Wrote: You must have a really different concept of "generating" than I do. When we open up a skull, poke some neurons, and elicit an image, is that not the brain generating something?
No, because that is just correlation ~ there is no explicit image coming from the neurons. The image exists purely in the mind of the subject, having to be self-reported. Neuroscience has no idea what neurons actually do ~ nor anyone else, frankly. Guesses aren't really enough.
(2024-12-23, 05:19 PM)Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Wrote: You may argue that it is not the brain, but instead some sort of immaterial mind, but there is even less evidence for that.
Nevermind all of the evidence from NDEs, OBEs, reincarnation, terminal lucidity, telepathy, etc, etc.
(2024-12-23, 05:19 PM)Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Wrote: No immaterial mind is forthcoming. So why rag on the materialists and not also the idealists?
Because Idealism has significantly different issues that do not overlap with Materialism's.
(2024-12-23, 05:19 PM)Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Wrote: Now, if you are going to insist that such experiences must by definition be the result of an immaterial mind, then you are begging the question.
~~ Paul
It's not "begging the question" when you have arrived at the conclusion that minds are logically immaterial based on entire swaths of evidence ~ including very explicit personal experiences of immaterial minds.
“Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.”
~ Carl Jung
~ Carl Jung