(2023-11-05, 11:21 AM)David001 Wrote: Well just what should a cautious scientist conclude from the many reports of NDE phenomena (not just Proof of Heaven) taken together perhaps with the reports of deathbed visions:
https://allnurses.com/death-bed-visions-t214844/
David
First of all I think NDEs and Death Bed visions are too fairly distinct phenomenas even though there are some overlapping characteristicas. If we stick the NDE land we can with certainty state that an NDE often is characterized by changes to consciousness. But we also know of physical agents that can cause dramatic changes to consciousness like psilocybin. Apparently even a one time psilocybin experience can cause lasting spiritual change to an individual. For this very reason I think it’s a stretch to conclude NDE survivors catches glimps of an afterlife - one can only conclude they experience a changed conscious state.