(2022-12-23, 06:51 PM)tim Wrote: We already have more than enough verified cases of cardiac arrest where no CPR of any kind was being performed. During that specific time, when no CPR was being performed (zero brain activity) they were able to report accurate visual perception, with reasoning and memory formation, of what occurred around them, sometimes out the door and down the hall. I'm not going to list them, it never makes any difference and I'm quite fed up (not with you) of repeating myself.
These were gathered patiently (by well qualified researchers) down the 48 years of on-going research, in order to try and convince the sceptics that there is something interesting going on here. Eventually, the sceptics (so called) agreed. Yes, people do have NDE's.
The problem with all these cases are that they are collected retrospectively often long after the event with absolutely no controls in place. False memories is a known psychological phenomenon after all and there’s certainly some heavy confirmation biases in the NDE “movement”
The problem with the “external consciousness” interpretation is that it contradicts everything else so to speak. So obviously the evidence most be overwhelming and of the very highest quality.