(2020-07-08, 06:19 PM)stephenw Wrote: I may think that the hard problem is best viewed thru the framework of it originator. I am comfortable in the positions taken. Here is commentary about the two (Bateson and Chalmers). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4243501/
OK, an argument by reassertion. I guess we can't go anywhere from there.
Quote:The context in which Bateson's quote is profound, was its timing. The unit of measure of communication transmission and data storage had just "hit the scene". A binary digit - THE Bit - (and Bytes) was defined as the answer to a "yes / no" question. (Circuit open vs circuit closed) Hence, his difference is just that -- a definitive and specified structural relation.
Are you surprised that the "hard problem" was generated from an information science viewpoint?
A "definitive and specified structural relation" is data or information, something that is of a fundamentally different existential nature than mind and qualia. Unless you can explain how the properties or aspects of consciousness such as qualia can literally be information pure and simple.
Quote:True confession; I am with DC all the way till the last sentence ("On this theory then, information actually is—has the property of being—conscious."). For me - information, both semantic and formal (bits) - is the stuff processed by mind.
Still leaves unanswered what is the ultimate nature of this mind, since mind isn't itself "stuff" of any kind.