Parnia's new documentary is being released tomorrow (apparently), "Rethinking Death". A British poet named
Rachel Finch is featured in it (I think) who had an NDE after childbirth and massive blood loss. I wonder if anyone knows where we can watch it ?
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It was every incredible feeling that a person cannot describe. It was an immediate peace – no pain, no fear, no shame. In this moment, I had forgotten what those things were. It was a feeling of love that I had never even imagined to exist before this moment. Enormous love, like I was loved beyond all comprehension, beyond all human understanding. I felt ‘home’. I felt I knew this feeling, this space, but that I had forgotten it. Light filled every space. It was all I could see, feel, hear. I do not recall a form, just light that was brilliant and not at all blinding to look at. I began to merge with the light. I felt I became one with it, until I knew all there was to know."
(Doesn't sound to me like the effect of naturally occuring in the brain endorphins)
Becoming One: A Near Death Experience - Kindred Spirit Magazine
Edit : If you follow this link it says it premieres on May the 9th, so I'm blowed if I know.
RETHINKING DEATH; RESTORING LIFE Tickets, Tue, May 9, 2023 at 5:30 PM | Eventbrite
I ffound this by accident but I should have spotted it sooner. It's yet another exceptional veridical NDE case report, this time from Texas neurosurgeon, Guy Danielson, who operated on an undercover woman police officer who'd been shot no less than seven times in the head, by seven different guns, when her cover was blown. Presumably (as they do) the ruthless gang were making sure no individual member could be convicted on their own (if caught) but such behaviour is sadly common place in the world. How on earth anyone could do that to anyone or anyone could actually survive such a catastrophically brutal execution is beyond me. (I wonder if these people had known about NDE's, would they have done such a thing ? Who knows, that's a complicated question, of course)
After Guy Danielson's story, Peter Cummings tells us (again) about his NDE and his new understanding/world view which is in fact the theme of this very long video which also features several other interesting guests as well as Zach Bush the host and his own substantial thoughts. Brains are beautifully complicated but we are not the brain, we are something more (say these three doctors)
This young woman in her thirties was brought in to Danielson's hospital somehow still with a pulse but absolutely comatose, bleeding profusely (understandably) and he operated on her, although he thought she would certainly die anyway. But amazingly she began to recover against all expectations.
(The Neurosurgeon) Danielson watched her in the hospital for about two weeks ...and to his surprise and the surprise of the doctors she started to get better and over the course of the next few weeks she started to get better and better and so she ended up actually going home...
(Dr Danielson) "And er, I lost track of her really, out of sight and out of mind type thing but she did come in for an appointment about a month or six weeks after surgery and she walked in very chipper and she goes...
"Hi, Dr D" and I just like... Oh my gosh, I can't believe it and she said well if you can't believe it
then neither can I, and I started asking her questions about how she was feeling and what her (quality of?) life was like
and she was saying that she had very nearly recovered and she was even thinking about trying to go back to work.
And so, it wasn't a long conversation...and toward...but at the end of it she goes
"Hey, I want to tell you something...I want to ask you a question."
And I said, "What about?"
And she goes (said), "Do you know that while you were doing surgery on me, on my head, I wasn't even in my head.
I was up on the ceiling up in the corner of the room,"...and she pointed up and said, "I was right up in the corner
of that room and I was sitting on a little perch and (I was) looking down on you and I could see you and I could see the patient, (herself) I could see all the nurses, I could see the anaesthesiologist and everybody there
(Doctor) "And, I'm like... WHAT?" and she said...I said, "Well ...did you, did you, what did you hear ?"
And she goes, "Well, I heard a lot, I could hear the music going on.."
And I said, "What do you mean you could hear the music?"
And she said, "Well, you were listening to a song that's about Saturday night and the moon is out, we're going
to go on over to the twist and shout". And of course that's a song that we used in the OR (listened to) all the time, so that kind of, that baffled me no end and then she said, "And yeah and you were talking to the doctors and the nurses were going, (asking) as time went on, they said, "Is she going to make it? Is she going to make it ?"
I said...jumbles up his words confusing what he wants to say then begins again clarifying
She told me that she heard me tell the nurses that she wasn't going to make it... and ...and then she basically told
me about several other things that had gone on during the surgery that made me know beyond a shadow of a doubt
....that...we were down doing surgery on her but to her (she) was up in the corner of the room. It's pretty awesome.
This case mirrors many other similar cases, notably the Lloyd Rudy Roberto Catanneo report. I cannot imagine how any
sceptic could seriously try to explain this from a physiological perspective. It even shuts out Max's theory, which I don't regard as being realistic in the first place, but it is novel, one might say.
Death, Dying & Rebirth Webinar Replay with Dr. Zach Bush - YouTube case story is introduced and begins at 17.30 aprrox.
(2023-03-20, 06:36 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]"I was up on the ceiling up in the corner of the room,"...and she pointed up and said, "I was right up in the corner of that room and I was sitting on a little perch and (I was) looking down on you and I could see you and I could see the patient"
Great find, and really interesting, particularly the experients sense of
"sitting on a little perch". Particularly during cranial surgery, neurosurgeons often do perch themselves on a chair to reduce fatigue, some use arm rests. It would be very interesting to find out if the neurosurgeon (or his team) shown in the video used a chair during this operation. I assume dealing with 7 bullet wounds is likely to entail a mammoth operating time, so reducing the risk of fatigue seems possible in this case. The surgeon also mentions that he experienced a period of what he called "disassociation" during the operation, where his hands didn't feel like his own, and mentioned awareness of something like "..gee that guys good..". I seem to recall that Rudy might have also mentioned something like a presence in the room that he felt during his patient's NDE OBE.
(2023-03-20, 08:26 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]Particularly during cranial surgery, neurosurgeons often do perch themselves on a chair to reduce fatigue, some use arm rests. It would be very interesting to find out if the neurosurgeon (or his team) shown in the video used a chair during this operation.
Thanks, Max ! Yes, he would have been sitting on a perch (chair) himself. I see where you're going with that lol
More tomorrow, got to do something, cheers !
(2023-03-20, 08:26 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]I assume dealing with 7 bullet wounds
Not wounds, more like great holes in the jelly of her brain, busted blood vessels leaking everywhere. Wouldn't all this damage to the brain, even if it wasn't (by some miracle) fatal or permanent for some reason, be enough to interfere with the transmission? And then of course her brain would have been completely comatose. Also, one might wonder why her remembered pictures (the brain exchange) of the events/action, didn't have some holes in them (maybe seven). Lastly, where were the memories stored, in what part of the brain, because her brain would have been off line. We don't need to be neurologists to know that, I mean the massive blood loss alone would have stopped the electrical activity. I must admit. I find it baffling how anyone could survive something like that, seven gun shots into your head. One is usually enough.
(2023-03-20, 08:26 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]The surgeon also mentions that he experienced a period of what he called "disassociation" during the operation, where his hands didn't feel like his own,
Not sure what you're getting at there, Max. He probably wouldn't be using that in this operation (I don't know of course) but yes, he did say that. It'sbecause he's looking through a microscope and seeing his hands but not directly with his eyes.
(2023-03-21, 04:25 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]Not wounds, more like great holes in the jelly of her brain, busted blood vessels leaking everywhere. Wouldn't all this damage to the brain, even if it wasn't (by some miracle) fatal or permanent for some reason, be enough to interfere with the transmission? And then of course her brain would have been completely comatose. Also, one might wonder why her remembered pictures (the brain exchange) of the events/action, didn't have some holes in them (maybe seven). Lastly, where were the memories stored, in what part of the brain, because her brain would have been off line. We don't need to be neurologists to know that, I mean the massive blood loss alone would have stopped the electrical activity. I must admit. I find it baffling how anyone could survive something like that, seven gun shots into your head. One is usually enough.
Not sure what you're getting at there, Max. He probably wouldn't be using that in this operation (I don't know of course) but yes, he did say that. It'sbecause he's looking through a microscope and seeing his hands but not directly with his eyes.
Well I don't have all the answers, I just thought it was very interesting that the patient mentioned that she was "
...right up in the corner of that room and sitting on a little perch...", because the neurosurgeon working on her exposed brain may also have been
perched on a surgeon's stool.
The patients heart was beating, but they were comatose, and their neural network may have destabilized by the damage, increasing the probability of this phenomena occuring. After all, this phenomena occurs in people without a beating heart, which in some way seems more extreme, than having bullet holes in a brain with a beating heart - as far as OBE explanations go. Mind you, it is amazing people can recover from such extreme injuries when a major artery isn't hit.
As for memory... well as an analogy, you can see a simple demonstration of holography below, where if you chop pieces off a hologram, each piece retains information about the whole scene. Damage to the hologram is apparently not catastrophic, in the same way that perhaps damage to a brain may not be catastrophic in these particular circumstances - where bits are chopped out of it.
(And things get even weirder with quantum imaging as I wrote about here
https://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-q...9#pid49959 )
As for the surgeon relating his experience of 'disassociation', I was suggesting that this disassociation experience (like Rudy's strange experience etc) may have been due to the patient becoming entrained to the surgeons networks whilst working on their exposed brain. That is a similar way that I explain third parties experiencing the patients End of Life experience, it's also how I explain Ouija board effects amongst participants of two or more. In fact, it's how I explain all experience, which just
has to be group generated... nothing else makes any sense to me...-
(2023-03-21, 06:47 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]Well I don't have all the answers
None of us do. For me though, (unless he's made the whole thing up of course or he's remembering it incorrectly), that was her mind, psyche, soul, up there.
Second edition of The Self Does Not Die has been released. You can get it from Amazon.....and maybe direct from IANDS?
A couple of years ago I spotted this report on the website of the sudden cardiac arrest support group UK. I subsequently left a comment requesting more information (if possible of course) and the guy that runs it put me in touch with Brian, who had the 'weird' experience. It was a cardiac arrest and out of body experience at Frimley park hospital where he was being assessed after being admitted for severe chest pain (he drove himself with his girlfriend).
After his heart stopped, he found himself outside the hospital (near the front entrance) looking slightly down at a glass panel and wall with people walking nearby
A weird experience - Sudden Cardiac Arrest UK
Brian was kind enough to let me interview him (so to speak) and I had many email exchanges over a few weeks. I sent him some books as a thank you.
Many thanks for your email and interest in my NDE. I didn't know that brain activity stops after 10-20secs, I had pondered if it was some sort of convincing brain activity, but I was sure I had left my body.
I have no recollection of the moment I left my body, just a feeling of ggoing forward rapidly and then seeing the building wall and glass
panel with people nearby. I believe my consciousness was real, as I recall thinking why am I seeing this building and the glass panel, it
made no sense! I was also floating up in the air looking slightly down and forward.
Having been back to the hospital I'm now convinced I was looking at the main entrance to the hospital about 20 metres or so from where my physical body lay in A&E. The feeling of being pulled back into my body was very real, just like a huge bungy rope pulling me backwards, then I 'felt' the moment with a jolt when I was back in my body (perhaps the AED as I was shocked and CPR?). I opened my eyes, to be faced with many doctors and nurses surrounding the bed and an oxygen mask on my face.
(me) I have some pictures of the hospital grounds which I sent him and he was able to pinpoint just about where he was which was interesting. (I'll post those separately or incorporate them later)
(Brian) Just a few thoughts and points of note on my experience...
1. The doctors told me afterwards I was in cardiac arrest for approximately 1 minute, I was revived after CPR and a single AED shock.
2. I do not recall the moment of losing consciousness, just looking at the paper cup then floating outside the hospital after a sort of fast rush feeling. If my brain activity stops after 10 to 20 seconds, then as you indicate something else occurred with my consciousness (departed my body).
3. I was fully aware of everything from floating outside to the moment I opened my eyes again on the bed. After the feeling of being pulled back into my body at great speed, I was aware that I was back in my body. Everything was just blank visually until I opened my eyes. Then shortly afterwards I opened my eyes - faced by numerous doctors around me. I'm sure the flow of oxygen in my body helped greatly with my waking up again. Thinking this through, I'm sure it was not me that consciously woke up but the resuscitation efforts that brought me back to full consciousness. But I knew I was back in my body lying on the bed just before I woke up - this was just a few seconds perhaps 5 to 10 seconds.
4. When back in my body I couldn't hear anything going on around me until I woke up.
5. After the SCA & experience, the chest pain became very intense, so much so that I asked for pain relief (I was given morphine if I recall correctly after the experience and SCA). I really expected another SCA at any moment. I guess at this point the drugs I had previously been given (prior to cardiac arrest) effectively opened my arteries just enough to keep me going until the stent procedure.
The consultant (who performed the stent procedure) at Frimley Park hospital was totally amazed that I survived the ordeal, telling me the day afterwards I was 'very very lucky' he repeated that twice with emphasis, and it was probably only my underlying fitness as a runner that saved me! Even the doctor involved in saving me came up to see me, he was so happy he was able to save my life - and so was I !
It was the next day (Sunday) that another cardio consultant doing the rounds also told me how lucky I was and then asked if I had experienced anything while in SCA. It was him that I first told my experience to. He then went on to explain about a research study with a professor (Sam Parnia?) he was involved in. I left out telling the weird part of my experience when explaining what happened to most of my friends, I somehow thought that they would think of me as weird or odd! But subsequently I thought it best to write about my whole experience - hence the website blog on Sudden Cardiac Arrest UK.
Overall the whole experience has changed my perspective on death, I once used to believe that once dead that was it, nothing more. But this whole experience has convinced me that there is more - consciousness can exist outside the body. When I was resuscitated and regained physical consciousness in A&E, I was overwhelmed with a feeling of peace and tranquillity - I had no fear of dying if that was going to happen. This feeling has changed my whole perspective on death, I no longer fear it.....
Y The outside of the hospital (Frimley park) where Brian believes he was floating (OBE) above the trees after his heart stopped.
I was probably just above the left hand line of trees looking forward directly towards the cream coloured wall and glass partition in front of the main entrance. I was probably about 20 feet up in the air. Interestingly my physical body was inside the building on the far left of your photo - I'm guessing about 15 feet to the left hand side of the van (from Vans perspective) in the middle of a line of traffic!
Original link removed and this added. Photo is with the piece.
Frimley Park completes long-awaited merger with Berkshire trust - Surrey Live (getsurrey.co.uk)