Words of encouragement from scientism
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(2020-04-16, 08:35 PM)fls Wrote: I agree an unqualified "atheist" means that you don't believe in any god, but it seems reasonable that it could be qualified like any other descriptor, if relevant.I think the comparison is reasonable and although I have always believed in God in some form, when off-guard I often find myself thinking in materialistic terms, so I have an understanding of agnosticism and an acceptance of atheism but what I don't understand, is how atheists can't see that their own position is as much a belief as any religious position. Observation alone cannot tell you there is no God, it can only tell you there is no evidence for God, and even then, only by your own personal interpretation of the evidence or lack thereof.
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(2020-04-16, 12:21 PM)fls Wrote: Sure, writing this sarcastic screed helps you entrench your justifications that your beliefs are valid. But it doesn't help someone like me at all. You are beyond help from me in the sense you intend. My post was intended not to help you but to prick your condescending conceit.
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(2020-04-16, 09:04 PM)fls Wrote: Science doesn't only look at physical matter, though. Science looks at stuff which is decidedly non-physical and non-matter by any stretch of the words. Scientists just don't care that the words no longer describe our folk intuitions about "physical" and "matter", but the rest of you apparently didn't get the memo.Perhaps "matter" was a limiting word to use but that which can be detected by our instruments has to be physical in some sense of the word. (one could argue that psychology is science, but I personally wouldn't)
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(2020-04-16, 09:07 PM)fls Wrote: Isn't that all we've been talking about?This grew out of a post of yours in which you said that you don't put faith in something (I can't remember what and I'm not going back in the middle of typing). The implication in saying that was that your position is not a belief. I think I brought God into it because it seemed the easiest way to discuss belief itself but then we started focussing on God and religion instead of the main point. To answer your question - no. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I think this has been thrashed out too many times before and it bores me. Still, thank you for an interesting and civilized discussion. I enjoyed it. |
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