(2018-05-26, 10:50 PM)Slorri Wrote: We get the answer from Mauro.
From 4:40 forward.
That might be a nice thought for UFO fans to believe in but if you are interested in truth, then can I suggest you look for debunking material, not to push one side of the debate, but to balance the information you have so that you can come to a more informed view. Anything I say on the subject will be biased by my Christian faith so I won't comment any further.
We do not say things just because they are nice.
This is important for us to know. The word elohim is evidently plural, and also verbs used together with it is in plural form. That makes them several.
Some 30 odd years ago I did read through what is called the old testament, and I was genuinely surprised. Two main things stand out. One is the really good language used, throughout; And also that it is not in any way a religious text. There is simply no way you can base a religion on the tanakh.
The way they seems to have managed to turn it into a religious text is:
They have substituted names for the word god. Thus making it abstract and incomprehensible.
And they have claimed it to be a holy book. That makes it a holy book.
Naturally the christian faith came later. It might have started around 100 BC, in some kind of messianic movements around that time, and later. And it was based on the falsified version of the tanakh. The new testament does not mention the elohim or Jehovah/Yahweh.
One could think that the christians themselves should be the most interested in this issue. This might not be the case. The christ is not a man, it is a principle, so it is not affected by how things actually were back then, and as far as we know, even now. These elohim can exist amongst us today.
People knew a lot of things in the past. Things that are forgotten now. Why? Because lies are presented as truths.
To debunk a literal translation of the tanakh is not an easy thing to do. Rather than trying to debunk it one should have a look at it. What is it actually saying.
It is not just the christians that has been deceived; Also the jews and the muslims.
(2018-05-27, 11:26 PM)Slorri Wrote: It is not just the christians that has been deceived; Also the jews and the muslims.
Or maybe it's you.
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(2018-05-28, 06:35 AM)Brian Wrote: Or maybe it's you.
Yes. It is said: "It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"
It would be fair if someone produced a directly translated version of the Tanakh, where the words Yehovah and elohim was left as they were. But then again, who would make that effort? Those that deal with the bible are obviously monotheists, and they might not want to saw off the branch they sit on. The publishing houses offer one version for the scholars and another one for the families.
When the evangelist preacher wants a fourth private jet plane in the name of "the lord", what "lord is he actually talking about? Is it the Yehovah elohim from the Tanakh? Or is it the later monotheistic principle?
INSANITY: Pastor Wants Fourth Private Jet, Worth $50 Million
(2018-05-31, 09:53 PM)Slorri Wrote: INSANITY: Pastor Wants Fourth Private Jet, Worth $50 Million
"Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Falcon 7X?"
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But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
(2018-05-31, 09:53 PM)Slorri Wrote: When the evangelist preacher wants a fourth private jet plane in the name of "the lord", what "lord is he actually talking about? Is it the Yehovah elohim from the Tanakh? Or is it the later monotheistic principle?
INSANITY: Pastor Wants Fourth Private Jet, Worth $50 Million
Luke 6:24
But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
Luke 16:13
"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."
Matthew 6:19-21
“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
1 Timothy 6:9
Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.
I think that "pastor" should try taking his bible a little more seriously!
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(2018-06-01, 06:35 AM)Brian Wrote: I think that "pastor" should try taking his bible a little more seriously!
That is if Jesse Duplantis is talking about the monotheistic principle, and not the figure in the Tanakh.
For example deuteronomy 20.
Deu 20:14
"But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which Yehovah elohim hath given thee."
Or numbers 31.
Num 31:25-29
"And Yehovah spake unto Mosheh, saying, Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Elazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation: And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation: And levy a tribute unto Yehovah of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep: Take it of their half, and give it unto Elazar the priest, for an heave offering of Yehovah."
I was assuming he was a Christian pastor, not a Jewish teacher. I am aware that Christianity has Judaism as it's root but you need to read the NT to find out what Christianity is all about. It is cetainly not about Jewish law for "by the law shall no man be saved" and "those that seek justification from the law have fallen from grace" Read any of Paul's epistles and you will see precisely how the law of Moses and Christianity relate and don't relate. If he is a Christian Pastor, he should be living according to the teachings of Jesus and his apostles, not using OT writings as excuses for not doing so.
We should notice here that Jesse Duplantis spoke directly to someone he called "lord". That "lord" spoke to him. They communicated while flying in the third private jet. The pilot of the plane did not hear any "lord" speaking, he only heard Jesse. This is the very same phenomena as happened to Saulus/Paulus, when he got blinded and fell on his face. He heard the "lord", but no one around him heard anything.
A key question here is: Is the "lord" in the NT the same as the "lord" in the Tanakh/OT?
If it is the same "lord". The one that is called Yehovah. Then it doesn't matter what Jesse Duplantis think, feel or believe. The directive came directly from Yehovah elohim; to not be content with stagnation, and to get a fourth private jet.
If it's not the same "lord", then why even bother to bundle the Tanakh together with the NT, into something they call the bible?
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