Uri Geller - What do you think?

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Well that's a sweeping statement!

I asked on a different thread for verifiable, tested TK (macro TK). There was none.

I gave you an example (the Random Mechanical Cascade experiments at the PEAR lab) and you said it looked interesting.

But perhaps the problem is that you're not really defining what you mean by macro-PK.

Also, Para-Researchers like to make things overly complicated because they need results. You wanna prove remote viewing? Fine, get the claimant in a room and you throw a 10, or a 100 sided dice in another one inside a box. Then, on the phone, ask for the number to the claimant. Repeat the test until you have a huge sample to test it with statistical relevance.

So far, nobody did this. Because nobody can do remote viewing. Parapsychological testing is made in a way that will always give positive results because, just like pseudo skeptics, the researchers are biased and follow an agenda.

That's like saying you're not willing to believe human beings can lift things unless somebody lifts a house for you. Plain silly.

Macro-PK is moving or altering objects like Kulagina and Geller claimed, in my opinion.

That PEAR lab is the only decent result out of it, but pararesearcher sloppiness can't be denied. Nobody would have tested for OBEs and remote viewing inside a room while he was sleeping on the other side.

Macro-PK is moving or altering objects like Kulagina and Geller claimed, in my opinion.

That PEAR lab is the only decent result out of it, but pararesearcher sloppiness can't be denied. Nobody would have tested for OBEs and remote viewing inside a room while he was sleeping on the other side.

If you're counting the Random Mechanical Cascade as macro-PK, then I think you need to count dice studies as well. Those were done in large numbers in the mid-20th-century. The early studies were severely criticised, but it's been argued that the later, better conducted ones still show very significant results.

But probably this - and discussion of remote viewing - belong elsewhere rather than in this thread.

There is also, after all, a reason why Randi's prize was never claimed, or TK ever demonstrated. Because they can't really do it. Unlike NDEs and a few mediumship cases, which look credible, TK and remote viewing are, as far as we know, fake or delusions.

I don't know or care enough about Uri Geller to be concerned with his spoons beyond their influence on one of the better Pokemon designs, but the reasons why Randi's prize went unclaimed aren't nearly as simple as this implies.

I'm starting to suspect that raf999 is a sock puppet of Steve001 posing as someone more open to psi. Same kind of sweeping statements and assertions without depth or reasoning. Anyone who had read this thread from the beginning would know that most of us here have concluded that Geller is a showman and conjurer but, at the same time, wonder whether he actually has some psi skills too which he, early on, decided to capitalise on. 

To see raf999 attempting to argue evidence with Chris who, for me, is the most meticulous assessor of evidence we have on this forum, is frankly embarrassing. @Raf999, if you haven't done so I suggest you do go back through this thread and tell us if your instant assessment of Geller (and Randi) still holds. There is a reason, after all, why Randi is not respected around here. He's an even bigger liar than Geller. He admits he's a liar. He's made a career, a reputation and a fortune out of the Geller debunking sideshow yet if Geller is nothing more than a stage magician he's still 10 times the magician that Randi is. So no, while I have my doubts about Geller, I have none about Randi: he's a liar and a cheat.

Raf999’s options look relatively even handed to me, and their writings are really quite different to Steve001. So I don’t agree with your assessment at all. They have a similar user name (and similar opinions) to a poster on the awareofaware blog, so I’ve speculated they might be the same person.

Care to rephrase that first sentence Max? Or am I just missing your meaning?

I'm starting to suspect that raf999 is a sock puppet of Steve001 posing as someone more open to psi.

He doesn't seem very much like Steve001 to me.

But I do have trouble understanding why someone should be open to veridical NDEs but not remote viewing. I'd have thought the experimental evidence was much stronger for the latter, and the "boggle factor" much larger for the former.

I'm starting to suspect that raf999 is a sock puppet of Steve001 posing as someone more open to psi. Same kind of sweeping statements and assertions without depth or reasoning. 

I don’t think so. Is there any evidence that Steve001 has ever been suspected of doing something like this? He’s been around long enough to give him the benefit of any doubt in my opinion.

Raf999 is scrambling around like a child looking for sweets imo. To dismiss remote viewing as he has, has lost him any benefit of doubt that I may have had for him. Mediocre might have been too rude imo, but he was basically right. 

I don’t agree with Max’s opening phrase either.