Uri Geller - What do you think?

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(2019-06-01, 05:08 PM)Raf999 Wrote: No, of course, but I can look at any episode of the "dynamo" magician show and have the exact same reaction. That doesn't mean Dynamo has some superpowers, he is just very good with his tricks.

It's really the same with Uri, he failed when a common magician would have failed, yet he insists that he is, in fact, no common magician.

What was the point of posting a link to Randi's video at all, then?

Randi edited out the part where he appeared to succeed, so you said he had failed.

When I asked you about the other bit, you said you couldn't explain it, but you thought it was just a magic trick.

Wouldn't it have been more honest to post a link to the whole thing, and say you couldn't explain it, but you thought it was just a magic trick?
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(2019-06-01, 05:33 PM)Chris Wrote: What was the point of posting a link to Randi's video at all, then?

Randi edited out the part where he appeared to succeed, so you said he had failed.

When I asked you about the other bit, you said you couldn't explain it, but you thought it was just a magic trick.

Wouldn't it have been more honest to post a link to the whole thing, and say you couldn't explain it, but you thought it was just a magic trick?

Look at my edits, the tricks are exposed. The spoon was already bent (you can see it at minute 6:00) and then the other guy was applying great pressure on it in the right way to bend it further (the fingertip becoming white clearly shows the pressure).

He was also kicking the table at minutes 12:10 and 12:50 or so, you can see stuff shaking and rattling on it. He was looking for the heaviest canister, that would have moved differently from the others. 

If people want to think he had powers fine, but you are getting deluded. He wasn't allowed to bring in his own props and the test failed, this shows why also Radin's experience means nothing, the spoons were provided by the magicians.
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(2019-06-01, 05:44 PM)Raf999 Wrote: Look at my edits, the tricks are exposed. The spoon was already bent (you can see it at minute 6:00) and then the other guy was applying great pressure on it in the right way to bend it further (the fingertip becoming white clearly shows the pressure).

He was also kicking the table at minutes 12:10 and 12:50 or so, you can see stuff shaking and rattling on it. He was looking for the heaviest canister, that would have moved differently from the others. 

If people want to think he had powers fine, but you are getting deluded. He wasn't allowed to bring in his own props and the test failed, this shows why also Radin's experience means nothing, the spoons were provided by the magicians.

Please could you not edit your posts after people have replied to them? That can make things very confusing.

Now you're saying the "other guy" was in collusion with Uri Geller, and that he deliberately bent the spoon himself.

Do you know the identity of this "other guy" that you're accusing?
And just to clarify further, you're suggesting that the Amazing Randi provided a spoon that was already bent to test Geller with?
(2019-06-01, 06:03 PM)Chris Wrote: And just to clarify further, you're suggesting that the Amazing Randi provided a spoon that was already bent to test Geller with?


Whatever the reason that spoon had  been bent, it was bent. It is rather clearly shown at minute 6:00, just look well at the middle spoon.

I don't know the identity of the other man, if he was an as associate of Uri or not, but again the video doesn't lie he was pressing, and hard, on the spoon Shaft. You can see his finger tip white because he is pressing, I don't know why.
(2019-06-01, 06:19 PM)Raf999 Wrote: Whatever the reason that spoon had  been bent, it was bent. It is rather clearly shown at minute 6:00, just look well at the middle spoon.

I don't know the identity of the other man, if he was an as associate of Uri or not, but again the video doesn't lie he was pressing, and hard, on the spoon Shaft. You can see his finger tip white because he is pressing, I don't know why.

The man you're accusing of colluding with Geller is the actor Ricardo Montalban.
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(2019-06-01, 06:37 PM)Chris Wrote: The man you're accusing of colluding with Geller is the actor Ricardo Montalban.

It's not an accusation, Uri told him what to do so he basically followed his instructions. Maybe he was unwilling, but in the end took part to trick.

Just look at wha Dynamo can do, thst is way crazier than bending a spoon and he does it without much preparation. Yet there is nothing paranormal in it, just tricks.
(2019-06-01, 06:56 PM)Raf999 Wrote: It's not an accusation, Uri told him what to do so he basically followed his instructions. Maybe he was unwilling, but in the end took part to trick.

This was a test to see whether Geller could bend a spoon by paranormal means.

You said "the other guy was applying great pressure on it in the right way to bend it further."

But now you say you're not accusing him of colluding with Geller.

Difficult to make sense of.
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(2019-06-01, 07:07 PM)Chris Wrote: This was a test to see whether Geller could bend a spoon by paranormal means.

You said "the other guy was applying great pressure on it in the right way to bend it further."

But now you say you're not accusing him of colluding with Geller.

Difficult to make sense of.
He was following Uri instructions. You clearly see he directed him on how to hold the spoon, and you can also see his fingertip becoming white due to the pressure. It's all in the video, just like Uri kicking the table trying to understand which canister has water in it (you can see the objects shake in st least two occasions). If you want to see the evidence that Uri showed clearly that he was embarassed and trying to use some desperate tricks it right there under your own eyes.

Nobody can deny minute 6:00 (already bent spoon), minute 12:10 and 12:50 (kicking the table and objects moving) and the fingertip becoming white.
(2019-06-01, 07:17 PM)Raf999 Wrote: Nobody can deny minute 6:00 (already bent spoon),

This is indeed possible. We would have needed the camera to focus on the spoon closely before it was put into Ricardo's hand. But from the level of clarity of the image I think it's a stretch to say conclusively  it's already bent, although it gives the appearance that it may be so. The video image just isn't clear enough to tell conclusively.

But there's enough doubt to make this demonstration pretty worthless, I'd agree with that part.
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