The Famous Dr Rudy

Dr Rudy:

"For the next 10 days, two weeks, all of us went in and were talking to him about what he experienced, if anything."

 Des this statement by Dr Rudy hold some significance for you, Malf ? 

 Des this statement by Dr Rudy hold some significance for you, Malf ? 

I'm pretty sure over that time period the actual events of his procedure would've been discussed with him. Probably several times.

Thanks Malf, that was a blast from the past; especially the posting dynamics between fors and againsts and the moderation decisions. Did note you recycled yourself, without attribution, here  Quality comment, tho ... and goes to the only glove that can be laid on the case, assuming we grant Dr Rudy and his assistant the good virtue I feel they deserve.

It's a fun thread. You'll notice my absence from the first dozen pages or so. Yep, temp ban 

It's a fun thread. You'll notice my absence from the first dozen pages or so. Yep, temp ban 

And here am I thinking it was all about timing your entrance 

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It's a fun thread. You'll notice my absence from the first dozen pages or so. Yep, temp ban 

Malf, humorous or ironic references to the moderation at Skeptiko are not acceptable on this forum. Email me when you're ready to come back.

I'm pretty sure over that time period the actual events of his procedure would've been discussed with him. Probably several times.

And that explains it, does it. Those gullible physicians and nurses somehow fed him the information and didn't realise they'd done it ? And the guy himself didn't realise that he'd been fed the information...and instantly came to believe that he really had been floating around the OR (even though of course he hadn't really) ?

Malf, there isn't a smiley face picture in existence which accurately sums up my thoughts on this type of scepticism.

And that explains it, does it. Those gullible physicians and nurses somehow fed him the information and didn't realise they'd done it ? And the guy himself didn't realise that he'd been fed the information...and instantly came to believe that he really had been floating around the OR (even though of course he hadn't really) ?

Malf, there isn't a smiley face picture in existence which accurately sums up my thoughts on this type of scepticism.

It's not about gullible hospital workers, it's about the control over information being discussed with the patient. There's also family members, who would have been given the some of the story before the patient even woke up.

I say 'some of the story' as it is well known that anecdotes like this grow over time in order to appear more wonderful and impressive. We are story telling animals, and this is human nature.

I suppose this could be connected to the discussion over 'extraordinary evidence' in another thread at the moment. If one wants to find evidence of 'disembodied senses' one would have to do much better than this story.

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Awesome work. And for a moment, a split second, you got me 

It's not about gullible hospital workers, it's about the control over information being discussed with the patient. There's also family members, who would have been given the some of the story before the patient even woke up.

I say 'some of the story' as it is well known that anecdotes like this grow over time in order to appear more wonderful and impressive. We are story telling animals, and this is human nature.

I suppose this could be connected to the discussion over 'extraordinary evidence' in another thread at the moment. If one wants to find evidence of 'disembodied senses' one would have to do much better than this story.

"it's about the control over information being discussed with the patient."

You seriously think that those physicians were not capable of discerning a genuine unexplainable report from their patient ? Are you not embarrassed by such nonsense ?

" I say 'some of the story' as it is well known that anecdotes like this grow over time in order to appear more wonderful and impressive."

Do you not realise that the reason why they went in to talk to the patient over a period of ten days was simply because they were so perplexed by what he had told them. There was no "growing" of the report !  If there had been a mundane explanation, do you not think that between them they would have realised that ?

What about the patient ? Was he a fool ? How do you convince someone that they've been floating around the operating room and seen things they couldn't possibly have seen, when they really haven't (according to you) .... and then get them to sincerely swear that they have ? 

"If one wants to find evidence of 'disembodied senses' one would have to do much better than this story."

Really ?  A patient lying stone dead on an operating table, closely monitored, is able to accurately describe what is occurring around him, including things he couldn't possibly have known about ?

What exactly would you like to see as evidence suggestive of such ?