(2019-01-08, 05:34 PM)Vy Chấn Hải Wrote: Maybe they don't worship a supernatural entity at all, but I can see dogma things and the worship people like Dawkin.
Nobody “worships” Dawkins (again, not in the way the word is defined with respect to religion). And dogmatism is a separate characteristic from atheism. On average, atheists score lower on the dogmatism scale than people who are religious.
https://www.amazon.com/Atheists-Groundbr...1591024137
Linda
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(2019-01-08, 05:34 PM)Vy Chấn Hải Wrote: Maybe they don't worship a supernatural entity at all, but I can see dogma things and the worship people like Dawkin. Maybe I used the word of religion right here, but in addition to not supernatural stuff I don't see a difference.
Not to be confused I do not call all atheist act like religious people.
Buddhism is quite bizarre they are still considered a cult although a large part of them seems impossible to be considered a supernatural belief, but they can still be called religious or perhaps being confused by the meaning of religion from Here because I am quite bad english.
Your English isn't "quite bad" ~ it's decent, but it can do with some work, but you can get there through continuous practice.
“Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.”
~ Carl Jung
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(2019-01-09, 03:35 AM)fls Wrote: On average, atheists score lower on the dogmatism scale than people who are religious.
https://www.amazon.com/Atheists-Groundbr...1591024137
Linda
A more recent study says the following:
Uncertainty Correlated with Dogmatic Beliefs, Both Religious and Atheist
(2019-01-08, 05:34 PM)Vy Chấn Hải Wrote: Maybe they don't worship a supernatural entity at all, but I can see dogma things and the worship people like Dawkin. Maybe I used the word of religion right here, but in addition to not supernatural stuff I don't see a difference.
Interesting you should mention Dawkins:
The bizarre – and costly – cult of Richard Dawkins
Quote:But the $85 a month just touches the hem of rationality. After the neophyte passes through the successively more expensive ‘Darwin Circle’ and then the ‘Evolution Circle’, he attains the innermost circle, where for $100,000 a year or more he gets to have a private breakfast or lunch with Richard Dawkins, and a reserved table at an invitation-only circle event with ‘Richard’ as well as ‘all the benefits listed above’, so he still gets a discount on his Richard Dawkins T-shirt saying ‘Religion — together we can find a cure.’
The website suggests that donations of up to $500,000 a year will be accepted for the privilege of eating with him once a year: at this level of contribution you become a member of something called ‘The Magic of Reality Circle’. I don’t think any irony is intended.
Not sure the cult is still in effect, it's been a few years.
I am looking to see if any research has been done on the possibility that some skeptics simply resent that others can find comfort in God/afterlife/etc, that they are projecting their own misery at dying or having faced the death of loved ones in the hopes others will share their unhappiness. Of course I don't expect this to be a majority share of skeptics, but it would be interesting to see some research in this area.
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'
- Bertrand Russell
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(2019-01-09, 03:35 AM)fls Wrote: Nobody “worships” Dawkins (again, not in the way the word is defined with respect to religion). And dogmatism is a separate characteristic from atheism. On average, atheists score lower on the dogmatism scale than people who are religious.
https://www.amazon.com/Atheists-Groundbr...1591024137
Linda I personally am an Atheist, maybe I have some confusion between the dogmatis and the atheist but as I told Earlier, alot of atheists act like dogmatis.
I personally met a lot of devotees who religiously to distort all the evidence and vice versa with many atheist, maybe personally they do not have a conviction but deep in the subconscious they might have some faith in one thing Something that contrasts, individuals me who consider religion as a life instinct, just as against sleep will make you smarter but whatever style you must sleep.
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(2019-01-09, 05:07 AM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: Interesting you should mention Dawkins:
The bizarre – and costly – cult of Richard Dawkins
Not sure the cult is still in effect, it's been a few years.
I am looking to see if any research has been done on the possibility that some skeptics simply resent that others can find comfort in God/afterlife/etc, that they are projecting their own misery at dying or having faced the death of loved ones in the hopes others will share their unhappiness. Of course I don't expect this to be a majority share of skeptics, but it would be interesting to see some research in this area.
I’ve certainly met skeptics who have wished they had the comfort of being more credulous/less well equiped to parse reality as it is.
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(2019-01-09, 06:12 AM)malf Wrote: I’ve certainly met skeptics who have wished they had the comfort of being more credulous/less well equipped to parse reality as it is.
Oh Jeez, malf - this was you! I was just about to ask the mods why I am suddenly seeing Steve001's posts when I have him on ignore.
I do not make any clear distinction between mind and God. God is what mind becomes when it has passed beyond the scale of our comprehension.
Freeman Dyson
(2019-01-09, 02:22 AM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: I wonder how much of what drives some skeptics is simple envy?
Sometimes people see others taking comfort in something like an afterlife and because they cannot feel the same they want to spread their misery.
I don't think skeptics are envy, they just think that if there is an afterlife ít's must be scare because the Eternal thing will be long and boring. But They have accidentally assumed here that the brain and it fun of emotion still work in the afterlife.
But I am also quite skeptical that a afterlife can exist if everything is predetermined
(2019-01-09, 06:12 AM)malf Wrote: I’ve certainly met skeptics who have wished they had the comfort of being more credulous/less well equipped to parse reality as it is.
I'm sure there are people who wish they could believe in something other than their faith in physicalism, but that's different from being motivated by anger toward those who believe differently.
I'm thinking of people who want others to feel the same misery over there not being an afterlife (their view) as they do.
Mostly it seems nihilists who believe everything is worthless b/c they think materialism is true don't seem to bother much with skepticism, but I do wonder if some do want to spread their misery and this is there primary motivation for being involved with the skeptical movement.
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'
- Bertrand Russell
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