New article is blaming NDEs on gamma waves again

I'd be curious what kind of metric Sartori is using, because Shushan has gathered a decent amount of NDEs from around the world across different time periods.

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Well, the responsibility there is mine, I simply picked Sartori's name because of various talks or presentations she has given. I didn't mean it as a numerical measurement of anything.

My point was more that we are able to read in great quantity English-language NDE accounts, or watch/listen to them on video and so on. Whether there are equally large numbers available to those fluent in other languages I cannot say. But personally I don't feel I have any particular grasp or ability to comment on NDEs from other parts of the world.

Though my interest tends to be much more in getting close to the actual experiencer, hearing their story direct from the horse's mouth as it were, I'm less thrilled by more academic studies. You could say I'm not particularly scientific about these things, it's more the human interest aspect which reaches me.

There's also the metaphysical consideration that the nature of consciousness is quite different than the nature of the "physical" world

How so?

How so?

Well I was going by what the Materialist/Physicalist belief system claims the "physical" is - something that can be measured mathematically, has no intrinsic meaning, and no logical/mathematical universals.

Whereas the "mental" has qualitative aspects, a thought about something has an intrinsic meaning, and logic is the foundation of all reasoned arguments.

This isn't to say I accept these divisions, in fact I'm rather unconvinced any such "physical" with those restrictions exists, but this is the division that is usually highlighted in metaphysics.

Well I was going by what the Materialist/Physicalist belief system claims the "physical" is - something that can be measured mathematically, has no intrinsic meaning, and no logical/mathematical universals.

Whereas the "mental" has qualitative aspects, a thought about something has an intrinsic meaning, and logic is the foundation of all reasoned arguments.

Sounds like a load of old rubbish to me... :-)

Sounds like a load of old rubbish to me... :-)

Agreed it's rubbish even if our reasons for saying that might differ.

I can't summon up the enthusiasm to bother saying anything much about these 'brain surges', other than I believe they are purely the result of desperation. They can't possibly explain NDEs and it's so patently obvious I don't even want to add why. The brain can't organise itself after it's blood supply has stopped, that's just nonsense So, I'm happy for "the team" to carry on and wish them the very best of luck with it !

I can't summon up the enthusiasm to bother saying anything much about these 'brain surges', other than I believe they are purely the result of desperation. They can't possibly explain NDEs and it's so patently obvious I don't even want to add why. The brain can't organise itself after it's blood supply has stopped, that's just nonsense So, I'm happy for "the team" to carry on and wish them the very best of luck with it !

Yeah I check on these things to get a sense of the academic momentum but personally I do feel like I've moved on into thinking about the true nature of the world...and even what my own afterlife might end up being like...

and even what my own afterlife might end up being like...

Just as I was reading your post, Sci, something just popped into my head that I remember hearing from a man who was dead for four minutes (that I spoke to and became friends with). He said you could put your hand in the water (rivers and streams) and it didn't get wet. Ties in nicely with Arthur Jensen's NDE (think that's the right spelling but not sure).

Ties in nicely with Arthur Jensen's NDE (think that's the right spelling but not sure).

You mean this one?

Near-Death Experience - Arthur Yensen - I Saw Heaven & It Changed My Life

He said you could put your hand in the water (rivers and streams) and it didn't get wet. Ties in nicely with Arthur Jensen's NDE (think that's the right spelling but not sure).

I'll have to check out Jensen's NDE is more depth, but the first part is very interesting as it connects to the question of causation.

It does seem that the binding between causes and effects is not based on laws - whatever and wherever those are - but something more mysterious...though possibly also as familiar as can be:

This book presents a history of the volitional theory of causation—the philosophical proposal that volition, or will, of the same or broadly the same stamp as that which we experience in our own deliberate and voluntary doings, should be taken as the basis for all causality. Few today know much about the volitional theory of causation, and even fewer have given it any serious attention. But if current opinion regards this suggestion as an unusual one, of minor importance, the historical record shows otherwise, revealing that it is a theory which has been proposed and developed again and again throughout the modern era. Its obscurity is only a recent phenomenon....