Near-Death Experiences and Reincarnation

Claims of Past-Life Memories in Near-Death Experiences by Bruce Greyson

A new article of interest in the latest issue of the SSE magazine Edgescience, #46, at https://www.scientificexploration.org/do...nce-46.pdf.


I think so. It appears that there are enough cases of past life memories and reliving experiences occuring during NDEs to conclude that both NDEs and reincarnation memories, though they are somewhat different and separate paranormal phenomena, are to be expected because they are both part of the same reality. 

It is a little discouraging that Greyson, one of the leading scientific authorities on NDEs, still poses this as a question, as if he is undecided himself.

The counter to all of this is simple, if Persinger and others see that we can store memories in a hive-like memory system, then we first have to show that people aren't just tapping into a shared memory system. Where there, the experience of tapping that memory makes it "feel like" it was your own memory. That doesn't make it your own past life, or your own memory. The amount of data carried forward is also pretty weak. It would be useful to remember math, language, or other skills. We only see minimal data of this happening.
The ONLY portion of these studies that are impressive to me are the scars that "could be" matching "cause of death" injuries. Or how certain cultures mark the dead and they come back with these markings. Ruling out some kind of intentional generation of these markings by the living would have to be addressed. And, it would have to be determined why this is not some "standard" for all people being reincarnated, and only applies to certain cases. Everyone dead by some form of violent injury should have a mark, but they don't.
So, interjecting so much wishful thinking or theory only supplies directions for further investigation and research, not correct answers.
Instead of applying your own personal reincarnation memory to science, use critical thinking to determine ALL of the possible ways you might be getting some kind of historical memory data and from where.

The counter to all of this is simple, if Persinger and others see that we can store memories in a hive-like memory system, then we first have to show that people aren't just tapping into a shared memory system. Where there, the experience of tapping that memory makes it "feel like" it was your own memory. That doesn't make it your own past life, or your own memory. The amount of data carried forward is also pretty weak. It would be useful to remember math, language, or other skills. We only see minimal data of this happening.
The ONLY portion of these studies that are impressive to me are the scars that "could be" matching "cause of death" injuries. Or how certain cultures mark the dead and they come back with these markings. Ruling out some kind of intentional generation of these markings by the living would have to be addressed. And, it would have to be determined why this is not some "standard" for all people being reincarnated, and only applies to certain cases. Everyone dead by some form of violent injury should have a mark, but they don't.
So, interjecting so much wishful thinking or theory only supplies directions for further investigation and research, not correct answers.
Instead of applying your own personal reincarnation memory to science, use critical thinking to determine ALL of the possible ways you might be getting some kind of historical memory data and from where.

Please elucidate. What evidence is there that there actually exists a "hive-like" collectively available memory system? Here's a theory that first has to be substantiated by hard data.

Please elucidate. What evidence is there that there actually exists a "hive-like" collectively available memory system? Here's a theory that first has to be substantiated by hard data.

I suppose every subject we discuss here is likely something that needs to be better substantiated by hard data and proper hypothesis. 

The purpose was simple: If there are other possible explanations, we need to include those and design more tests to exclude or include them as possibilities.

Too bad Persinger is now deceased, and I don't have the funding or degree to supply you with that data myself.

However, if we don't include all the possibilities, we aren't being critical thinkers, which is what most of science is missing at the present time.
Scientists seem to get stuck in a rut, blinders on, and attempt to bend the data to fit a theory, while not including or excluding other possible explanations. Only looking at one thing at a time, ignoring anything that doesn't fit what they want.

My reference is to Persinger's data showing that most humans synchronize or resonate with the same frequencies during sleep, and that this appears to match the Schumann resonance, which could make the Earth's magnetic field a huge database where we all store things. It needs more testing and a way to flag memories and retrieve them. https://www.researchgate.net/publication...daptations

Also, if you stretch the idea of memory storage to the quantum idea that "if we have a shared particle with anything past, present, or future", we remain connected to the data contained within these shared quantum states. So add that to the list of possibilities.
 
How we retrieve, store, share this data is still so unclear that everything is speculation. We can't even get a clear answer from supposed contact with deceased people (Mediums).

Please elucidate. What evidence is there that there actually exists a "hive-like" collectively available memory system? Here's a theory that first has to be substantiated by hard data.

Of course -- the term hive mind comes from how bees disseminate information.  There is extensive data to review how the patterns of behavior come from instinct.  Hive mind - implies some telepathy-like communication.  I say there is decent evidence for telepathy.  It is the quintessential Psi event, one of anomalous information transfer.

Another quick example - whether literal or figurative - is "the mind of God."

Broadcast tv, was bad - smartphones worse.   Marshall M. had it right 70 years ago.  

   The fifth panel shows the "global village”, a famous concept by McLuhan. He predicted the advent of the internet, particularly how computers would be used for research and communication. The democratic and global access to information, would make mankind form a collective identity. In modern internet parlance, this is referred to as the “hivemind”. The final panel shows the electronic age.

https://www.firstpost.com/world/influent...38879.html

Of course -- the term hive mind comes from how bees disseminate information.  There is extensive data to review how the patterns of behavior come from instinct.  Hive mind - implies some telepathy-like communication.  I say there is decent evidence for telepathy.  It is the quintessential Psi event, one of anomalous information transfer.

Another quick example - whether literal or figurative - is "the mind of God."

Broadcast tv, was bad - smartphones worse.   Marshall M. had it right 70 years ago.  

https://www.firstpost.com/world/influent...38879.html

Regarding this storage system, there is also the "Akashic" system. A name coined by drug addicted philosphers and occultists. Stolen from a Sanskrit word for aether, sky, or atmosphere. Edgar Cayce claimed to be able to access this system for information. All he needed was minimal data.
Sean Harribance is a living example of the ability to tap into information about anyone, at will, with nothing but a picture. 
I agree there is plenty of successful telepathy data. It is one of the few remaining areas of Government funded studies where DARPA has taken it to various electronic technology inventions. 
Where all we really have are these similar brain neural network configurations and pathways, resonance fields overlapping, and successful connectivity. How it happens, how data is supplied, received, etc., all up in the air with theories. Persinger was able to block and enhance Ingo Swann's abilities, but I don't see the continued research that would help define or enhance these results.
The biggest problem, IMHO, is that the subjects they select for the research are not talented. I see volunteer students, not people who show promising brain scans that show the same or similar neural networks to known successful telepathy subjects. So they take frogs and use them to study birds. I will never understand this lack of logic.

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1. The mathematics doesn't add up. At least that's a usual objection to reincarnation, comparing the rapidly-increasing population of this planet with the smaller number of deceased people. I've never attempted to resolve this. I just take things back to the very first forms of life which (for sake of argument) had souls. Where did those souls come from? That isn't just a question of number x being greater than number y, but of the quantity of previously deceased beings amounting to precisely zero. Where did those first souls come from. Well, my assumption has always been that just as the physical bodies are drawn up from the soil and water and air, the physical materials, in a corresponding manner, then the non-physical part is drawn from whatever ethereal pool (for want of a better word) there may be.

So in that respect we might say some are 'new' souls. But just as the physical materials go round in a cycle, carbon, water, all the other molecules and atoms are re-used, then there is also a re-use of the non-physical component.

Going back to this math point again.

I'm just listening now to this interview on BATGAP with Christian Sundberg. His pre-birth memories would seem to indicate it's a small minority of souls who actually have physical incarnations. Almost like it's a rare thing. This makes the math thing even more irrelevant.

Starts at around 13 minutes.

His pre-birth memories would seem to indicate it's a small minority of souls who actually have physical incarnations.

Lol, wow, ok. I suppose I have to listen to him to find out why?

Regarding this storage system, there is also the "Akashic" system. A name coined by drug addicted philosphers and occultists. Stolen from a Sanskrit word for aether, sky, or atmosphere. Edgar Cayce claimed to be able to access this system for information. All he needed was minimal data.
Sean Harribance is a living example of the ability to tap into information about anyone, at will, with nothing but a picture. 
I agree there is plenty of successful telepathy data. It is one of the few remaining areas of Government funded studies where DARPA has taken it to various electronic technology inventions. 
Where all we really have are these similar brain neural network configurations and pathways, resonance fields overlapping, and successful connectivity. How it happens, how data is supplied, received, etc., all up in the air with theories. Persinger was able to block and enhance Ingo Swann's abilities, but I don't see the continued research that would help define or enhance these results.
The biggest problem, IMHO, is that the subjects they select for the research are not talented. I see volunteer students, not people who show promising brain scans that show the same or similar neural networks to known successful telepathy subjects. So they take frogs and use them to study birds. I will never understand this lack of logic.

it is an apparent shared reality, otherwise I wouldn't be able to share anything, and even from the most conservative viewpoint our experience are apparently constructed in our brains (as Edwin Lands work on colour demonstrates).

With what I will call here ' dislocated information', many of us will have experienced obviously problematic access to information, and we give these dislocated experiences labels like past life memories, time-slips, apparitions, telepathy, premonitions... there are many others like prayer, Ouija, NDE's OBE's memories etc...

As the concept of spacetime slowly dies, replaced by something better, resembling Nima's new theory, we will move forward as a group. All the experiences of getting access to problematic information that many of us had, were clues that our current approximations used to understand the world, were very useful, but also very inaccurate.

Going back to this math point again.

I'm just listening now to this interview on BATGAP with Christian Sundberg. His pre-birth memories would seem to indicate it's a small minority of souls who actually have physical incarnations. Almost like it's a rare thing. This makes the math thing even more irrelevant.

Starts at around 13 minutes.

He is very specific that he doesn't know about other places, that there are multiple realities, and he is supposed to have had many hundreds of lives before.
In his own words, he can't speak to or answer many things because he doesn't know. He is repeating a memory.
So this is obviously not the one and done answer, or how the process is for everyone.
This is not a source of information to me, or helpful. It is a distraction to me.
I agree that the math isn't right unless people are being brought here like a prison and stuck into bodies as a jail, or new souls are arriving or being created by something. Where the speculation portion of that is that we really don't know how many people existed in the past except for some educated guesswork.
The other is that the soul is split up between multiple bodies at the same time, or that many people are simply like puppets or drones.
That can go on and on.
Let's point out the obvious here, he can remember this one place, and a bit of information about that, but not a single one of his hundreds of lives between these shows up as memory or recall?
Pretty selective and precise, detailed memory of just this place or one thing. Not the rebirth process, not the many lives, or how these add or subtract from his current existence. Sorry, nope.

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This is not a source of information to me, or helpful. It is a distraction to me.

Just so that it's clear to me, can I ask you what it is that you're seeking that requires "help"?