NDE reporting on CNN

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I think this is an example of how normative the NDE idea is becoming. The take is more pragmatic, than some, but healthy to me. The model, where an event causes a change of heart, is still there.

Quote: But in the two years since it began, the Covid pandemic has spawned a new category of near-death experiences -- recounted by people like Deiner who returned to see the miraculous in the ordinary rhythms of daily life: Being able to taste and smell coffee, hug a child again and see the sun rise after fearing you'd never again hear birds singing in the morning.

They were spiritually transformed not by a glimpse of the afterlife but by what they saw in this life, when they were struggling to stay alive after being stricken by Covid.
Those type of stories don't tend to get book or movie deals. Yet people like Deiner, 41, have these incredible stories of survival that can help all of us.
Start with the power of gratitude. It's a cliché for some, but not for many Covid survivors. -- By John Blake, CNN
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(2022-03-12, 10:23 PM)stephenw Wrote: I think this is an example of how normative the NDE idea is becoming.  The take is more pragmatic, than some, but healthy to me.  The model, where an event causes a change of heart, is still there.

I agree, Stephen (great name that Thumbs Up ) the word NDE is becoming normative and it is being applied to many differing situations that are not even remotely equal to it's original meaning. Real NDE's are not just about changes of heart (although that is obviously one of the changes that occurs), they are much, much more powerful than that.  

The changes are extraordinary (180 degree) because the person has had a glimpse into something far beyond this world, into what we are doing here and why. Recovering from Covid or any illness will certainly make people glad and grateful, no doubt about that. 

However recovering from Covid with a profound NDE will not only make you glad to be alive (here), it will make you unafraid of not being alive here; in fact it will make you not particularly want to be alive here (you will want to go back) but you know that that is not a choice for you to make. 

The happiness psychologist expert, Sonia Lyubomirsky recently appeared on a panel discussion with resuscitation experts in New York and they talked about this. Surviving a close brush with death or achieving something big (impressive) certainly does change you but the changes don't last.

Surviving a close brush with death and having a profound NDE, changes you forever and the experience is as fresh and memorable in their minds as the day it occurred. 

That is why the term NDE needs to be consigned to history (and it is being) because those that don't or didn't like the implications of them (NDE's) have successfully degraded the term.  As I knew they would.        
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(2022-03-13, 01:26 PM)tim Wrote: I agree, Stephen (great name that Thumbs Up ) the word NDE is becoming normative and it is being applied to many differing situations that are not even remotely equal to it's original meaning. Real NDE's are not just about changes of heart (although that is obviously one of the changes that occurs), they are much, much more powerful than that.  

The changes are extraordinary (180 degree) because the person has had a glimpse into something far beyond this world, into what we are doing here and why. Recovering from Covid or any illness will certainly make people glad and grateful, no doubt about that. 

However recovering from Covid with a profound NDE will not only make you glad to be alive (here), it will make you unafraid of not being alive here; in fact it will make you not particularly want to be alive here (you will want to go back) but you know that that is not a choice for you to make. 

The happiness psychologist expert, Sonia Lyubomirsky recently appeared on a panel discussion with resuscitation experts in New York and they talked about this. Surviving a close brush with death or achieving something big (impressive) certainly does change you but the changes don't last.

Surviving a close brush with death and having a profound NDE, changes you forever and the experience is as fresh and memorable in their minds as the day it occurred. 

That is why the term NDE needs to be consigned to history (and it is being) because those that don't or didn't like the implications of them (NDE's) have successfully degraded the term.  As I knew they would.        

What terms are now in candidacy for being the new replacement?
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(2022-03-15, 11:50 PM)nbtruthman Wrote: What terms are now in candidacy for being the new replacement?

Hi, nbtruthman ! RED, apparently, recalled experience of death ! They are separating out those experiences (which are recalled from a period when the heart was stopped) from experiences which may be recalled from different periods, emerging from coma (if the arrest has led to a coma for instance) so they tell us and other periods. 

How do they know when the experience occurred, though, I hear the sceptics object (not you). Well, I'm assuming that they have been able to time any reported experiences and in addition also monitor their absent? brainwaves. 

But we shall see. I've got some old crow (in the freezer) from 2014 which I wasn't able to serve up (then) to Paul, Malf and Steve etc (I wish.. Smile ) but I'm a little more hopeful that now they might have something 'sceptic proof'. What they won't have is a visual hit, they just haven't got the numbers.           

 Since the second phase of AWARE began, we have enrolled 570 cardiac arrest patients across 26 different hospitals worldwide.

Through in-hospital interviews, we have identified that memories people report during and after cardiac arrest often fall into 3 major categories:

1. Recalled experiences of death (REDs)
2. Memories related to emergence out of coma/unconsciousness
3. Dreams & dream-like experiences

Study findings related to common themes of REDs & physiological data taken during & after cardiac arrest coming soon 🙂

Parnia Lab on Instagram: "Since the second phase of AWARE began, we have enrolled 570 cardiac arrest patients across 26 different hospitals worldwide. Through…"
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The term NDE embraces a rich set of experiences. One of the candidates to replace it is STE. Spiritually Transformative Experience. That term could aptly describe many standard types of NDE. It also contains a range of experiences, some of which may be an NDE with no physical trauma (but I dislike the term 'fear-death' which has the main merit of rhyming and sounding neat while being semantically inaccurate or false) or other experiences such as dreams or visions, all having a profound impact upon a person's life. It is important to not trivialise or dismiss these, they are every bit as significant to the person having it as something termed an ADE or RED, and possibly more so. That is, not every RED is profound, some are, some may not be.
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(2022-03-17, 11:09 AM)Typoz Wrote: It is important to not trivialise or dismiss these, they are every bit as significant to the person having it as something termed an ADE or RED,

You could argue (make a case) for that, Typoz, but I would say that being dead (officially) for whatever period of time and then being brought back to life, having experienced a profound NDE (RED) tops a spiritually transformative experience such as are found in great varieties. 

Why? The depth and access (to the divine or whatever one prefers to term it) of an actual death experience (RED) is unlikely to be matched by anything less, although it could be, I suppose. It may be the case that someone is transformed by deep meditation or a sudden insight into the unknowable, but for consistency, actual experiences of death (deep NDE's) seem to always transform those that have them enormously and forever, as you well know.  

Just my thoughts, doesn't mean I'm right.
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