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There's another longer interview with Hamish here 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKTV0J1xJFM

I would have posted this years ago but for his use of odd adjectives (aluminium tube for instance). It's not a criticism,
it's just that sceptics seize on anything that sounds implausible or hallucinatory..."He said he was an aluminium tube? Well that means he's off his nut!" When in fact it's more likely than not just his way of putting it, maybe.
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(2020-07-08, 05:28 PM)tim Wrote: There's another longer interview with Hamish here 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKTV0J1xJFM

I would have posted this years ago but for his use of odd adjectives (aluminium tube for instance). It's not a criticism,
it's just that sceptics seize on anything that sounds implausible or hallucinatory..."He said he was an aluminium tube? Well that means he's off his nut!" When in fact it's more likely than not just his way of putting it, maybe.
 Very interesting. Thanks Tim.
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I'd personally never heard of this Virginia doctor (maybe others have) until I saw him quoted on a Dr Peter Fenwick video in relation to end of life issues. It's apparent he also has a lot to say about environmental/planetary issues and the catastrophic problems we will face if we don't change our ways (which may well be true and then again it may be over exaggerated ?) but make of it what you will. 

I do find it interesting that patients seem almost without exception to regret being brought back to life. Why should that be if we're only biological robots ? 

He goes on to point out examples of people who have biologically died but have been brought back to life. These are the people who’ve experienced what we’ve come to call near death experiences, a remarkable phenomenon in which people from all ages, backgrounds, ethnicities, cultures, and so on, all share a very common experience.

"And what I’ve seen it to be is a massive expansion, of consciousness, of reality, of awareness, and ultimately of love." 

As an ICU doctor, Bush was a first hand witness to resuscitation of many patients, and he expresses his awe with the fact that the most common thing a patient would first say after being brought back to life was, ‘why did you bring me back?

"In the hours that follow, they are telling their loved ones, ‘I went into this space, and it was bright white light everywhere, and in that moment I felt completely accepted for the first time in my life." ~Zach Bush, MD

https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/consci...ath-that-y

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLaVutWXju0
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Ed Kelly chatting to John Cleese about evidence for survival, particularly NDE's. Kelly deals with the crux of the matter 
to perfection around the eleven minute mark. 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti...e=emb_logo

Further thoughts  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti...e=emb_logo
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Former anaesthesiologist Chris Yerington is talking here about his now well known case of "Frank", the 'dead' patient who wasn't expected to survive but somehow did..and somehow reported the conversations from the ER. Even more impressively, he reported seeing and remembering a seven(?) digit number from the top of the lights in the OR.
    
I think this interview is a real 'coup' but unfortunately, the beginning has been spoilt by a fault in communications. Don't give up on it though, it's worth sticking with. He deals with it not from a believer's perspective but a hard nosed sceptic, and considers even the most outlandish and unrealistic explanations, some of which even I know (as a layperson) are out of the question from my own investigations (and listening to experts)  

At 53.15, the host brings up a question that some of our own sceptics on here would address to him, even if not directly, they would still certainly think it a possibility, namely how do we know he's been thorough with his investigation and how do we know he's not lying ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti...e=emb_logo

Edit:

Yerington is quite active on Quora and I saw this recently which is very interesting.

Just this past year, actually, in early 2019, in my brother’s group… one of the guys had a case of recall  (the term used to describe both anaesthesia awareness and NDE's by medical professionals) that was just not physically possible and it crushed that doctor’s granite-belief in the purely physical existence that is relied upon for us, physicians, to focus on healing the body.

When I hear from friends, colleague of more often, friends of friends of colleagues about this type of story I give them the contact information for groups that currently study it and interview the medical personnel… that was ‘strongly discouraged’ in my day in the hospital. My brother, an anesthesiologist, has had one of his colleagues go through this experience this year and it ‘freaked’ him out a little bit about the unknown(s) of the human journey. It can be unsettling when you have a firm grasp on your own personal perception of reality and then something occurs that can’t be… it pierces your abstract mind and then lingers until addressed… even, or perhaps especially, in the mind and heart of a very well educated physician.

https://www.quora.com/As-an-anesthesiolo...eone-under

He seems to respond to everyone except me, for some reason. If anyone else is interested in asking him for more details about this case, it might prove useful.
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(2020-08-03, 01:17 PM)tim Wrote: See edited post above (Yerington) I'll delete this soon.

Very interesting recording Tim thanks. I thought the potentially evidentially element was very curious. I was turned off by his waffling explanation of how it might have happened. It seems to me that quite often  people have experiences which in themselves appear genuine then attempt to explain it when often they’re simply speculating in areas which are not their specialist area. He’s not the first Imho, some of the stars of psychical research have done the same thing.

I guess Dr Yerington has one specific experience (or someone he knows has). I’d be wary of explaining consciousness based on that, particularly given the body of evidence. 

What I did like is that it’s clearly puzzling him, and his explanations sounded like an understandable attempt to make it fit the model he’s comfortable with. After 22 minutes he’d got nowhere near explaining how the patient remembered the serial number. I did wonder if the  serial number was unique.

Thanks again. Hope my comments don’t sound churlish.
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