(2020-08-03, 10:12 PM)Obiwan Wrote: Very interesting recording Tim thanks. I thought the potentially evidentially element was very curious. I was turned off by his waffling explanation of how it might have happened. It seems to me that quite often people have experiences which in themselves appear genuine then attempt to explain it when often they’re simply speculating in areas which are not their specialist area. He’s not the first Imho, some of the stars of psychical research have done the same thing.
I guess Dr Yerington has one specific experience (or someone he knows has). I’d be wary of explaining consciousness based on that, particularly given the body of evidence.
What I did like is that it’s clearly puzzling him, and his explanations sounded like an understandable attempt to make it fit the model he’s comfortable with. After 22 minutes he’d got nowhere near explaining how the patient remembered the serial number. I did wonder if the serial number was unique.
Thanks again. Hope my comments don’t sound churlish.
No, good pertinent comments Obiwan ! He mentions during the interview that he wasn't certain he'd taped the patient's eyes shut but he's made several statements already (previously) that he did. The patient was dead anyway (he tells us). He also mentions CPR as a possible restorer of consciousness but other experts are adamant that CPR cannot restore consciousness in
patients who's heart and circulation have stopped for more than a brief period.
He speculates about the lights being inverted (turned upside down) for what reason though ? Surely they wouldn't invert lights directly over the patient, there would be a potential problem with dust ? (at the least). Then he said the lights were not actually over the patient, but somewhere away from him, so I don't think that's a realistic possibility anyway, apart from the fact that dead patients can't see.
It's another good case if he's telling us the truth of course and I have little reason to think otherwise. As to his speculations about quantum physics and consciousness it's anyone's guess but personally I suspect the separating mind, psyche, soul is not operating on that basis, but of course I might be completely wrong.
Just a further note which I think is relevant (which I posted on the video comments section), with relation to Dr Yerington's hypothesis that the patient's eyes MIGHT have been open at the beginning, before he taped them shut...@49.07 he tells us that "Frank" was cold and that his temperature was 32 degrees C. For every one degree of temperature drop, there is a loss of brain function between 6-10%.
"The temperature-dependent nature of cerebral functional activity has also been well reported. For example, impairment of memory encoding starts at a body temperature of 36.7°C and progresses to the point that 70% of information normally retained is lost at approximately 34–35°C (Coleshaw et al., 1983)."
Also at 32 degrees, the pupils dilate (Weinberg 1993). So considering that the patient was dead and receiving CPR to try to perfuse his brain (which can only achieve about 25-30% of normal blood flow required by the brain according to experts) which is the most sensitive organ in the body in respect of the need for blood, then this patient having any kind of normal consciousness at all is actually out of the question.
Sorry to be pedantic but sceptics will clutch at anything and the facts need to be presented fully. Naturally, a determined sceptic may just say that Yerington's memory could be faulty or even that he's making it up, and there's nothing that can be done about that of course.
Edit : The patient said there was a "spider" on the surgeon's head
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A near death experience transforms a doctor and her practice : Dr Rana Awdish on Health Professional radio
This is a good example of a previously sceptical doctor experiencing an NDE for herself and then changing her mind. If NDE's are confabulations, she had no reason at all to confabulate or expect to have one. Was this doctor simply fooled by her own senses against her previous rigorous scientific instinct ?
....The final day of my fellowship training at Henry Ford hospital and I was seven months pregnant....I had sudden onset abdominal
pain....and what that pain was (was) a tumour in my liver that burst open and it was an arterial bleed that gushes very fast powered by the heart....I was then in an operating room in multi organ failure.
I could hear the anaesthesiologist say "we're losing her" and I thought to myself--you'd better pay attention...this sounds bad....
I knew I had lost all my blood volume into my abdomen, I heard my "labs" repeated (blood gasses etc), my liver was failing, my kidneys were failing and when I tried to look at the room, I realised I could see the whole room and in fact I could see myself on the table as well as the doctors who were working to extract the baby...and I thought, you know what, they're right, they are losing me if I can see myself I might already be lost....and certainly I was not somebody who believed in near death experiences that had been articulated by my patients.
I studied neuroscience and I thought it was just faulty wiring of the brain that was anoxic. And then I had that experience that everyone talks about...I felt small and weightless and yet expansive as if I was a part of everything and able to observe, yet completely impartial. I didn't feel attached to what I was watching even though it was my own death..
(Host) .....were you okay with what was happening to you ?
....y'know, I went into that hospital in horrific pain...and what I remembered in that moment....was that not only was the pain gone but I felt completely at peace, just the most peaceful feeling I had ever had in my life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqMfw890Cv8
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This woman claims to have had a near death experience, which some experts would.. and have.. previously categorised as a "fear death experience" (but maybe that is debateable). She was travelling at high speed on a motorway, when a large vehicle (a motor-home) failed to give way to her (she reported).
A collision appeared to be inevitable and this is when she 'left her body' and entered into another "place" whilst remaining
connected to the ongoing situation. I've come across quite a number of this type of experience in the past four/five decades. The Fenwicks reported an excellent example of one, in the Truth in the light; namely a woman driver who went aquaplaning in the outside lane of the motorway (in England) and experienced many (not all by any means) of the same things.
The interview has been dubbed over with English by someone really proficient and it's well worth a listen just for this woman's various insights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypqKfwek8Ws
Dr. Jean Jacques Charbonier, a French Anesthesiologist, discusses NDEs:
Surprised this hasn't been posted on here already. He has written a book in English about what he considers evidence for life after death based on his own research and experiences. This video is clearly quite old but worth a watch.
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We're short of material so that's why I'm posting these two podcasts. The first is a set of interviews with NDErs, some of them quite long. I found the Andy Petro interview interesting, I've 'communicated' with him in the past. Naturally I made sure I "danced past" (the dark) Howard Storm NDE (just kidding Stan)
https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/out...B2ncq8TWu/
The second is a little snippet from a Samoan man. Much nicer that Howard Storm's nasty NDE.
Mr Taafuli Andrew Fiu has had 5 open heart surgeries, the first when he was 14 years old. He died twice when having cardiac arrests. He told us what happened to him when he died or his NDE - his near death experience.
https://audiomedia-sbs.akamaized.net/samoan_140112_311544.mp3
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This is an interesting NDE (from Brazil--the Carlos Mendes channel) which occurred under anaesthesia during surgery to remove a piece of iron or metal which was somehow impacted into the patient's skull (I don't remember if he said that someone had clobbered him or whatever it was that happened)
He simply finds himself walking through a sort of copse (? ) or tree lined glade (?) accompanied by a person in white. Red and white birds notice him and react to his presence. What I find interesting is that we get a really detailed description of the mechanics of what it's like to experience this and his perception, description and interpretation of what he actually was there (in what form (less) he was in etc).
A being, invisible to himself (he couldn't see his arms and legs etc) yet still tangible and identical in every way with himself..it was him there (he said) but not the him that his name defined on earth, shall we say. If anyone has half an hour, have a listen (read the subtitles), it's well worth it and it's interesting that it agrees very well with many similar NDE's I've come across.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK_wNH2hxes&t=854s
What do you make (everyone) of this ? Personally, I always assume it's something else with an ordinary explanation (other than what she believes it is) but it's interesting that the light phenomena seems to occur at the time of his death.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8fWTu0MyRY
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