How Would Angus Menuge Resolve the Mind–Body Problem?

ho hum

I guess we'll just put this on your list of failed rebuttals.

I guess we'll just put this on your list of failed rebuttals.

If less time was spent pondering which ism is correct and replaced with actual research progress might be made, but from sitting on the sideline and watching it seems throwing isms around is assumed to be much more productive.

I thought it was a direct to the point rebuttal to a tired counter argument you have used before.

If less time was spent pondering which ism is correct and replaced with actual research progress might be made, but from sitting on the sideline and watching it seems throwing isms around is assumed to be much more productive.

I thought it was a direct to the point rebuttal to a tired counter argument you have used before.

The interview originally posted goes into research? Menuge has done work in Comp Sci (why he explicitly invokes the concept of Information), and I even mention prior to your post that Menuge draws from the work in Intelligent Design for his book Agents Under Fire?

This is why it pays to make some actual effort in engaging the contents rather than jumping into a thread to simply evangelize the pseudoskeptic belief system.

If less time was spent pondering which ism is correct and replaced with actual research progress might be made, but from sitting on the sideline and watching it seems throwing isms around is assumed to be much more productive.

I thought it was a direct to the point rebuttal to a tired counter argument you have used before.

What was significant in the interview - is the assertion that there is a way for subjective information to interact with a physical system.  A model of mind/brain interaction is asserted.

Care to discuss current research that IS parsing how it works?  Or, are you fully embedded in philosophy, for your grounding and as your sources of counter-point?

Data  rule.

That said the simple solution is that there is no dualism nor physicalism, which probably leaves Neutral Monism or Idealism of some variety.

But this "simple solution" of neutral monism or idealism invokes a much greater complexity of explanations of actual data. There is still the niggling problem of all the paranormal empirical evidence that can much more easily and simply be accommodated by interactive dualism.

But this "simple solution" of neutral monism or idealism invokes a much greater complexity of explanations of actual data. There is still the niggling problem of all the paranormal empirical evidence that can much more easily be accommodated by interactive dualism.

I don't see how the paranormal evidence is better explained through dualism.

You could say the very way we define "substances" into "mind" & "matter"is flawed b/c it is based around Cartesian Dualism and also assumes causation is explicable when only involving entities of a single "substance".

But then you are arguably saying the mental is part of a kind of materialism, albeit something like the "subtle matter" some Tibetan Buddhists believe in.

I don't see how the paranormal evidence is better explained through dualism.

You could say the very way we define "substances" into "mind" & "matter"is flawed b/c it is based around Cartesian Dualism and also assumes causation is explicable when only involving entities of a single "substance".

But then you are arguably saying the mental is part of a kind of materialism, albeit something like the "subtle matter" some Tibetan Buddhists believe in.

Many paranormal phenomena strongly or conclusively indicate that interactional dualism is the simplest and most direct mind-body hypothesis. What about investigated veridical NDEs, and what about investigated and verified reincarnation cases? 

The simplest and most direct interpretation of these phenomena is that the human spirit ultimately is a separate mobile center of consciousness, that is, an entity that while the brain is dysfunctional, or when the body actually dies, can leave the physical body and brain either temporarily or permanently and do things like pass through walls, and/or invisibly hover above an operating theater and make later verified observations of the physicians and surgeons and their conversations and actions and instruments, or can for a time visit a between-lives realm from which the spirit proceeds to inhabit another, different body. 

The interactional dualist interpretation proceeds directly from and is directly implied by, actual experience.

Many paranormal phenomena strongly or conclusively indicate that interactional dualism is the simplest and most direct mind-body hypothesis. What about investigated veridical NDEs, and what about investigated and verified reincarnation cases? 

The simplest and most direct interpretation of these phenomena is that the human spirit ultimately is a separate mobile center of consciousness, that is, an entity that while the brain is dysfunctional, or when the body actually dies, can leave the physical body and brain either temporarily or permanently and do things like pass through walls, and/or invisibly hover above an operating theater and make later verified observations of the physicians and surgeons and their conversations and actions and instruments, or can for a time visit a between-lives realm from which the spirit proceeds to inhabit another, different body. 

The interactional dualist interpretation proceeds directly from and is directly implied by, actual experience.

But all of those phenomena just add more questions about interaction if there are two distinct substances. How does PK and Telepathy work, given they seem to be used by OBErs and spirits as well?

Keep in mind a soul/body distinction can be the distinction between two levels of the same underlying substance.

I would say the best explanation for paranormal phenomena is a "Simulation", just that a such a simulation has to be grounded by some deeper level and no physical (as in some substance that doesn't include mind) substance can magically produce mind. (Nor is it clear to me how this physical stuff accounts for its own causal relations.)

This means the substance at the Ground Level is either Mind itself or some substance that encompasses both the physical or mental aspects of reality. My guess is our divisions between "physical" and "mental" need to be revised, just as our hard distinction between the Subject & Object.

But all of those phenomena just add more questions about interaction if there are two distinct substances. How does PK and Telepathy work, given they seem to be used by OBErs and spirits as well?

Keep in mind a soul/body distinction can be the distinction between two levels of the same underlying substance.

I would say the best explanation for paranormal phenomena is a "Simulation", just that a such a simulation has to be grounded by some deeper level and no physical (as in some substance that doesn't include mind) substance can magically produce mind. (Nor is it clear to me how this physical stuff accounts for its own causal relations.)

This means the substance at the Ground Level is either Mind itself or some substance that encompasses both the physical or mental aspects of reality. My guess is our divisions between "physical" and "mental" need to be revised, just as our hard distinction between the Subject & Object.

I've been more and more entertaining the idea of this reality being something of a simulation, grounded in, and maintained by, mind/s / consciousness/es, albeit not the minds / consciousnesses of those participating inside the simulation.

The purpose of the simulation being to produce something that has the appearance and feeling of being so real and solid that for all intents and purposes, it is real to those participating in it.

I've been more and more entertaining the idea of this reality being something of a simulation, grounded in, and maintained by, mind/s / consciousness/es, albeit not the minds / consciousnesses of those participating inside the simulation.

The purpose of the simulation being to produce something that has the appearance and feeling of being so real and solid that for all intents and purposes, it is real to those participating in it.

Do you see the spirit world as inside or outside the simulation?

Perhaps those NDEs where the person or their guide has incredible mastery over space & time is beyond all the "levels" within the "game"?

I don't pretend to have answers here, I don't even know if there really is a simulation. I just think when we put things in those terms a few things fall into place. Myers seemed to even have this idea but struggled to articulate it b/c video games and other simulations didn't exist then.