How the afterlife environment is like the Eiffel Tower(?)

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An interesting new blog post by Michael Tymn at http://whitecrowbooks.com/michaeltymn/en...rit_world/:

Quote:"As I understand it, the spirit world is shaped something like the Eiffel Tower, having a broad base and gradually narrowing to the top. As spirits advance toward the top, it becomes more and more difficult for them to communicate with the physical world.  This is because such communication is a matter of vibrational frequency.  To put it another way, the less-advanced, or less-evolved, spirits are closer in vibration to those of us in the physical world and therefore can communicate more effectively with us than advanced spirits.

If the Eiffel Tower is a valid simile, most spirits, or souls, it seems, are hovering, not far above the esplanade at ground level.  Earthbound souls are in something of a stupor, struggling to keep their feet on the ground, while slightly more developed souls are striving to make it to the first-floor observation deck at 187 feet. Those who are have reached the first deck have a better view of things than those below them, but it is mostly a local view. They are within shouting distance of those still on the esplanade, but it requires a loud voice and harmonious wind conditions for those on the ground to hear them.  Only a few of them have voices strong enough to be distinctly heard by those on the ground and often those on the ground catch only a few words and just get the gist of the message."
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(2019-09-20, 05:49 PM)nbtruthman Wrote: An interesting new bog post by Michael Tymn at http://whitecrowbooks.com/michaeltymn/en...rit_world/:

I know some people talk about "vibration" and "frequencies" in relation to these things, but I've never really known what they mean. Presumably it's just a metaphor? They don't really mean that after you die something immaterial is oscillating so many times a second?
(2019-09-20, 08:40 PM)Chris Wrote: I know some people talk about "vibration" and "frequencies" in relation to these things, but I've never really known what they mean. Presumably it's just a metaphor? They don't really mean that after you die something immaterial is oscillating so many times a second?

No, they don't.

They're nothing akin the concepts known by Physics.

It's more that language is limited in being able to describe a complex concept, and those words happened to be loose analogies that were somewhat useful helping understand the underlying ideas.

They're ideas that really need new, better words to describe them, so they're not entangled with physical concepts.
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(2019-09-21, 12:58 AM)Valmar Wrote: No, they don't.

They're nothing akin the concepts known by Physics.

It's more that language is limited in being able to describe a complex concept, and those words happened to be loose analogies that were somewhat useful helping understand the underlying ideas.

They're ideas that really need new, better words to describe them, so they're not entangled with physical concepts.
It most likely comes from The Hermetic Principles, which actually is literalistic - and then passed to new agers.

You can read the principle here. https://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/kyb/kyb11.htm

A small selection:
In the first place, science teaches that all matter manifests, in some degree, the vibrations arising from temperature or heat. Be an object cold or hot--both being but degrees of the same things--it manifests certain heat vibrations, and in that sense is in motion and vibration. Then all particles of Matter are in circular movement, from corpuscle to suns. The planets revolve around suns, and many of them turn on their axes. The suns move around greater central points, and these are believed to move around still greater, and so on, ad infinitum. The molecules of which the particular kinds of Matter are composed are in a state of constant vibration and movement around each other and against each other. The molecules are composed of Atoms, which, likewise, are in a state of constant movement and vibration. The atoms are composed of Corpuscles, sometimes called "electrons," "ions," etc., which also are in a state of rapid motion, revolving around each other, and which manifest a very rapid state and mode of vibration. And, so we see that all forms of Matter manifest Vibration, in accordance with the Hermetic Principle of Vibration


You can also read this guys more contemporary take on it: here https://www.quora.com/What-do-people-mea...erstanding
(2019-09-21, 10:07 AM)letseat Wrote: It most likely comes from The Hermetic Principles, which actually is literalistic - and then passed to new agers.

You can read the principle here. https://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/kyb/kyb11.htm

A small selection:
In the first place, science teaches that all matter manifests, in some degree, the vibrations arising from temperature or heat. Be an object cold or hot--both being but degrees of the same things--it manifests certain heat vibrations, and in that sense is in motion and vibration. Then all particles of Matter are in circular movement, from corpuscle to suns. The planets revolve around suns, and many of them turn on their axes. The suns move around greater central points, and these are believed to move around still greater, and so on, ad infinitum. The molecules of which the particular kinds of Matter are composed are in a state of constant vibration and movement around each other and against each other. The molecules are composed of Atoms, which, likewise, are in a state of constant movement and vibration. The atoms are composed of Corpuscles, sometimes called "electrons," "ions," etc., which also are in a state of rapid motion, revolving around each other, and which manifest a very rapid state and mode of vibration. And, so we see that all forms of Matter manifest Vibration, in accordance with the Hermetic Principle of Vibration


You can also read this guys more contemporary take on it: here https://www.quora.com/What-do-people-mea...erstanding

Thanks for the replies, but there seem to be two conflicting opinions - either "vibration" and "frequency" are metaphorical, or else they are to be understood literally, in terms of something changing so many times per second.

I suppose in theory it's possible for a thing to be immaterial and yet subject to time - and therefore to vibrate, in the conventional sense. But I think if that's what's being suggested, I'd be inclined to ask for some evidence that that was what was going on.

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