Evolutionary Causation of NDE proposed

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Terrible Summary and misleading but posting it because of the ridiculous notion that NDE’s are evolutionary for survival , akin to helping us “play” or “appear” dead.

Becuz coming back pist off that one has returned and being more altruistic and compassionate is really in alignment with survival of the fittest 

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(2024-05-22, 02:00 AM)Bill37 Wrote: Terrible Summary and misleading but posting it because of the ridiculous notion that NDE’s are evolutionary for survival , akin to helping us “play” or “appear” dead.

Becuz coming back pist off that one has returned and being more altruistic and compassionate is really in alignment with survival of the fittest 

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Could you indicate where in this exposition on NDEs the author suggests or describes such an obviously ridiculous evolutionary survival advantage theory?
(2024-05-22, 05:23 PM)nbtruthman Wrote: Could you indicate where in this exposition on NDEs the author suggests or describes such an obviously ridiculous evolutionary survival advantage theory?
Yes,
I saw it towards the end of the article and have copied and pasted that portion of the article:
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Kondziella says. “You can’t do that without a functioning brain, so all those arguments that NDEs prove that there’s consciousness outside the brain are simply nonsense.”[/font]
[font='Crimson Temp: Georgia', serif]Kondziella, Martial, and others instead theorize that NDEs might be part of a last-ditch survival tactic. Species across the animal kingdom “play dead”—a behavior technically called thanatosis—when they perceive a mortal threat, typically from an attacking predator. If fight-or-flight fails, the instinct to feign death kicks in as an attempt to forestall the danger. The animal becomes immobilized and unresponsive to external stimuli—but with continued awareness so that, given a chance, it can escape. “Personally, I believe the evolutionary aspect really is the key to understanding what NDEs are and how they came about,” Kondziella says. “There is a perfectly valid biological explanation.”[/font]
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(2024-05-22, 05:37 PM)Bill37 Wrote: Yes,
I saw it towards the end of the article and have copied and pasted that portion of the article:
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Kondziella says. “You can’t do that without a functioning brain, so all those arguments that NDEs prove that there’s consciousness outside the brain are simply nonsense.”[/font]
[font='Crimson Temp: Georgia', serif]Kondziella, Martial, and others instead theorize that NDEs might be part of a last-ditch survival tactic. Species across the animal kingdom “play dead”—a behavior technically called thanatosis—when they perceive a mortal threat, typically from an attacking predator. If fight-or-flight fails, the instinct to feign death kicks in as an attempt to forestall the danger. The animal becomes immobilized and unresponsive to external stimuli—but with continued awareness so that, given a chance, it can escape. “Personally, I believe the evolutionary aspect really is the key to understanding what NDEs are and how they came about,” Kondziella says. “There is a perfectly valid biological explanation.”[/font]
K

Thanks. The author seems to conclude with a somewhat open mind as to at least the possibility that NDEs are of a basically spiritual nature.
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(2024-05-22, 05:37 PM)Bill37 Wrote: Yes,
I saw it towards the end of the article and have copied and pasted that portion of the article:
[font='Crimson Temp: Georgia', serif]
Kondziella says. “You can’t do that without a functioning brain, so all those arguments that NDEs prove that there’s consciousness outside the brain are simply nonsense.”[/font]
[font='Crimson Temp: Georgia', serif]Kondziella, Martial, and others instead theorize that NDEs might be part of a last-ditch survival tactic. Species across the animal kingdom “play dead”—a behavior technically called thanatosis—when they perceive a mortal threat, typically from an attacking predator. If fight-or-flight fails, the instinct to feign death kicks in as an attempt to forestall the danger. The animal becomes immobilized and unresponsive to external stimuli—but with continued awareness so that, given a chance, it can escape. “Personally, I believe the evolutionary aspect really is the key to understanding what NDEs are and how they came about,” Kondziella says. “There is a perfectly valid biological explanation.”[/font]
K

Even if one were to seriously consider the materialist faith's position here...Why would a hallucination-according-to-skeptics at a time of danger be an evolutionary advantage?

I don't think NDEs have merit because we assume the brain has completely stopped functioning, in fact I assume the brain continues to play a role in regulating the body just as the body also contributes to consciousness.

There are definitely some people who heavily lean on that aspect of NDEs but to me it is enough that the brain is not at its optimal state. Why is it that the NDE seems hyper-real when brain activity is reduced?

And even if brain activity isn't reduced, why do we get these reports of OOBEs? Why the reports of knowledge obtained in the afterlife, such as the knowledge of unknown dead relatives or learning that someone recently living has died while having the NDE?
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell


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