Debate: That veridical NDEs are a myth [split: A splendid video about evolution]

Our target population is patients experiencing cardiac arrest in hospital [in the emergency department or hospital wards] or out of hospital [in whom resuscitation efforts are ongoing at ED arrival]. Emergency Department or Research staff will be alerted to cardiac arrest and will attend with portable brain oxygen monitoring devices and a tablet which will display visual images upwards above the patient as resuscitation is taking place.

https://www.hra.nhs.uk/planning-and-impr.../aware-ii/

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There have been zero studies measuring the visual accuracy of recalled NDE OBE's. Martial's will be the first.

AWARE's visual target was attempting to measure whether patients were up on the ceiling, all targets were hidden and secret.  AWARE was not measuring the visual accuracy of experients NDE OBE recollections.

There have been zero studies measuring the visual accuracy of recalled NDE OBE's. Martial's will be the first.

AWARE's visual target was attempting to measure whether patients were up on the ceiling, all targets were hidden and secret.  AWARE was not measuring the visual accuracy of experients NDE OBE recollections.

The problem with what you are suggesting is that it is not a double-blinded methodology and therefore has much lower scientific value than what the AWARE study attempted. In AWARE, visual targets were hidden from everyone except a potential out-of-body experiencer, which is essential for reducing bias and ensuring valid data.

The problem with what you are suggesting is that it is not a double-blinded methodology and therefore has much lower scientific value than what the AWARE study attempted. In AWARE, visual targets were hidden from everyone except a potential out-of-body experiencer, which is essential for reducing bias and ensuring valid data.

While supporting all the sincere dialog in this thread, the experiments under discussion are well designed but not to the point, from my perspective.  Treating PSI like a physical event defeats the purpose and conflates units of measure.

Eyes see refracted light.  Differently than physical processes, minds detect the signals communicated via the optic nerve, add meaningful input and produce vision.  Refracted light is physical and measurable as to its materials and energetic states.  Light patterns in nature only elicit meaning when detected and decoded by agents.  In nature, biological sensation brings motive to an organism.  In both cases, natural and computational, information processes reveal the representation and the important meanings.

There are no objective meanings in photon patterns.  What would a "spirit" see as a mind. Real world meanings provoke entanglement.  Affordances motivate agents and are extracted from the environment, specifically the informational environment.  They are found with local understanding as the key activity.  Understanding is measured by different criteria than physical units of measure.  Understanding is demonstrated by focus on probable pasts, futures and current meanings.  Finding future relations, in the past is not physical.

Vision is a non-physical mental experience.  Our vision, if normative (real good) leads agents, like ourselves into believing that our eyes magically are delivering reality direct and that they can reach into the environment through focus.  In fact, eyes stay in sockets and they are just sending electrochemical signals to the brain.  Perception by biological organs are a well-developed senses evolved through billions of years.  The meaning in sight is not in the physical environment. 

 The reading of meanings in vision is from entangled relations between organism and his environments.  Meaning is found in the informational environment and organic perception reads meanings directly.  see J. J. Gibson

What the eyes of people see is from physical signals.  What a "spirit" would see - as a mind - would be with mental understanding (and not with a physical channel of input).  Different than the actual physical source of sight, minds can see through imagination, prior knowledge, expectation and with love.

If the experiment is hoping that - like on tv effects - the mind sees like an eye....  It will fail.  If however, if the experiment finds that the subject found meanings - related meaning and symbolic information, then it would make sense to measure if communication has taken place.   When testing info transfer, informational units of measure should hold.

 What is Gibson's theory of perception?
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James J. Gibson's theory of perception, also known as the Ecological Approach, proposes that we directly perceive the environment without cognitive interpretation, as the rich, continuous information available in the world itself specifies what to do. Key concepts include affordances (what the environment offers to a perceiver), the optic array (patterns of light that provide information), and direct perception (which emphasizes information pickup rather than mental construction).

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 "Thought from the eye closes the understanding, but thought from the understanding opens the eye". - Swedenborg