Cosmic Cradle: pre-birth memories

I brought Christian up a lot this late summer, and so nbtruthman is aware of him.

I just started listening to this latest interview. I like the bit when he talks about comparing his PBM with others, and the impact of finding out some of the details of the layout where they were just before coming here were the same.

If he is trustworthy this is an amazing video - I worry that he just seems a bit glib to me.

If he is trustworthy this is an amazing video - I worry that he just seems a bit glib to me.

Well, I don't worry so much about an individual trustworthiness. Personally I consider these messages important and we need to listen to many different people telling their own experiences.

In the past we had movements organised around a single person - at least nominally. Nowadays I consider it important to consider multiple sources and not to elevate a particular individual at the expense of being deaf to others.

I'm not talking about scepticism here, that is a game of telling us not to listen to anyone but themselves. I simply mean taking messages such as Sundberg's seriously, but not to exclusion of all else.

If he is trustworthy this is an amazing video - I worry that he just seems a bit glib to me.

For me the idea that people are choosing lives of incredible suffering...there is something just too neat to it.

At the same time as I said before I can't really reject this idea, it shows up way too much that I could only reject it wholesale by rejecting much of the accounts in NDEs and other pre/after-life accounts.

Around the time when I first started to take reincarnation very seriously, I was struggling to understand my own suffering at that time. This is a different perspective than choosing something. I came to understand that this life was simply a continuation, and that the experiences - whether chosen or not - of a previous life, had consequences for the present life.

That understanding gave me a great deal of relief. Such things are not possible to describe in words, what I was going through at the time I can only distantly remember since it was half a lifetime ago, and even then it would have only been written as anguish followed by peace, though my language at the time was more intense and emotive.

I don't see this as reward and punishment, merely as events sometimes having long-lasting consequences.

Where I do perhaps relate to some of Sundberg's thinking is that it is not that life just 'happens to us' and we are mere playthings of fate. Rather, at every moment we can choose how to be, how to live, how to respond to our present circumstances.

I can't express my ideas as eloquently as he does, I'm not any sort of teacher and perhaps he is.

Around the time when I first started to take reincarnation very seriously, I was struggling to understand my own suffering at that time. This is a different perspective than choosing something. I came to understand that this life was simply a continuation, and that the experiences - whether chosen or not - of a previous life, had consequences for the present life.

That understanding gave me a great deal of relief. Such things are not possible to describe in words, what I was going through at the time I can only distantly remember since it was half a lifetime ago, and even then it would have only been written as anguish followed by peace, though my language at the time was more intense and emotive.

I don't see this as reward and punishment, merely as events sometimes having long-lasting consequences.

Where I do perhaps relate to some of Sundberg's thinking is that it is not that life just 'happens to us' and we are mere playthings of fate. Rather, at every moment we can choose how to be, how to live, how to respond to our present circumstances.

I can't express my ideas as eloquently as he does, I'm not any sort of teacher and perhaps he is.

I actually think you do a better job of making a case for some kind of pre-birth influence on the lives we lead now...

...though I do wonder if people see something that is just too vast or perhaps even deliberately meant to be obfuscated in these pre-birth-experiences/NDEs, and this gets interpreted in different ways... I'm going through historical NDEs, not sure I've seen anything (yet?) with the level of pre-birth planning described in modern day pre-birth memories though some Native American tribes/cultures do have a place for choosing one's next incarnation. The idea of surveying one's potential future lives and choosing or being guided into a particular life has a very modern New Age-y feel to me, just as visions of Hell and picking the "right" religion to avoid damnation seem embarrassingly medieval. From what I recall this is also a bit of a debate in the channeling community, where some would say every event is chosen prior to life while others contend you choose the circumstances into which you are born but not every evil thing that might be done to you.

Additionally, reincarnation research itself seems to give contradictory answers about the "other side", especially in some of the most compelling cases like replacement reincarnation o[r] children in Burma insisting they were Japanese soldiers (and thus putting their lives at risk). Those cases seem like the opposite of top-down organization. I also question the point of a life review if everything was just part of a "real" video game where we picked the things that would happen to us.

The way you talk about this pre-birth effect seems more natural to me, something less grandiose than a top-down system where all suffering is part of a learning experience. It recalls the idea of karma being something like the "physics" of a universe where consciousness has continuity between lives, where it just makes sense that each life impacts the next.

I decided to send CS an email:

Most of my life (I am now 73) has been spent immersed in science (I have a PhD in chemistry) and software development. However I am interested in the nature of consciousness. I read Michael Newton's "Journey of Souls" many years ago, but other thinkers didn't seem to be supportive of him. More recently I have come to realise that there is quite a lot of support for the idea, and there is scientific evidence that reincarnation takes place (Ian Stevenson, Jim Tucker, and others).

I watched one of your videos, and you used the word 'vibrational' many times. Many others use this term, and I'd really like to relate it to the scientific term and maybe to electromagnetic oscillations. One immediate problem is that scientific vibrations basically depend on one parameter - frequency, whereas the way you and others use the term it seems much more complex.

Here are a couple of possibilities:

1) The concept of vibration is used in a purely metaphorical sense when being used to refer to alternate realities etc.

2) There is some generalisation of the scientific term that extends the concept to cover alternate realities.

I'm hoping you can shed some light on this.

I am also interested in the concept that time is different/faster/non-linear/non-existent in other realities. The problem is that most discussions - even yours - slip back into linear time! Is it possible that there are two (or more) time axes up there? One axis would relate to what is going on on earth, and another would be used by spiritual entities to actually do stuff up there. If you think about verbs, most of them relate to time in one way or another. With two time axes, it would be possible for someone to see their whole lifetime and yet still be able to decide things and do things out there. A complete absence of time seems to represent total stasis.

Again thoughts please!

Best Wishes,

This produced a fairly interesting response:

Great email sir, and thank you for reaching out.

Regarding vibration:

(Trying to think about how to best word this) The spiritual "vibration" I refer to is like a frequency experienced within the body of consciousness itself. It's as if consciousness itself vibrates into or in alignment with various experiences of form. That can be clearly felt and experienced when not so deeply bound into the sensory experience of Earth. Even thoughts themselves can be perceived as having (seen, heard, and felt as having) a type of pitch to them. Metaphorically it's as if what is fundamentally real is water (consciousness), and that water then vibrates, or "folds itself" perhaps, to create experiences of form.

Regarding linear time:

Yes it is possible there is more than one axis of time- in fact I think that is not a bad way at all to describe it. I feel that this topic is quite impossible to speak about thoroughly from here, though. We could say there is artificial local linear time, which is running on a lower level within higher spiritual progression time (or something). I don't know how to describe that- but yes, there is a higher spiritual time axis of some kind. There is still the experience of clear sequence- but also, at the same time, a sense of simultaneity, because all things are arising within the one living Now. (From here within linear time, it is almost by definition nonsensical to describe. 😄 ) As a very crude metaphor, someone on Earth could run a computer simulation that simulated time, and that simulation has to take place within the more fundamental Earth time. The artificial time created in the simulation isn't really real- it's "virtual"- and used by those in the real world for some purpose. Similarly, Earth is used for a purpose that is clearly understood from that higher dimension.

Thank you for your meaningful considerations, I hope that helps at least a little!

Have a fantastic day experiencing being human today!

Note that he seemed to agree about there being two time axes out there - rather than simply no time! I feel much more comfortable with that explanation.

His explanation of 'vibrational' didn't add much, and I am still not clear how to interpret this concept.

I also checked that he was happy for me to quote him.

Sorry. The following link works correctly as far as I can tell, whether you are an SSE member or not, to download the issue containing the article:  https://www.scientificexploration.org/ed...e-issue-51 . I've also edited the original post.

Thanks for that interesting-looking link, that I have copied to my Kindle.

BTW, Does anyone know of a convenient way to convert a ZIP file with text arranged in two columns, back into a linear text sequence? This is one thing I find a pain about the SSE!

David

[Ninshub]

Listening right now to this podcast interview with somebody who went through a NDE-like experience, what she considers a kundalini experience. Suddenly she was in a space with beings and she experienced among other things the planning of her life, in her case ues a life full of suffering up to a certain point. Her human life up to that point had been filled with horror (sexual abuse, double suicide of parents, constant drug addiction). There's a lot of detail in what she accessed during that experience.

I've queued it up to where the pre-birth story begins (again these aren't pre-birth memories as what is the main subject of the thread, but somebody who had access to a pre-birth narrative while undergoing a transcendent experience).

https://youtu.be/a__clxIiMmo?t=479

Interesting take on the possible naiveté of the spirit choosing the human life. "Now my spirit is feeling this feeling for literally a split second. OK so this is what a double parental suicide feels like, I can handle that, throw it in the cart. But my spirit doesn't understand the concept of time, so doesn't know that my human will be experiencing that for decades of time."

This makes it sound less like a sadistic soul uncaring for the human self, and a fundamental split between two "beings" - but more like the same spirit free-willingly choosing a human life but not understanding what that "ride" will entail experientially for herself through lack of awareness of what time means.

You make a good point … I actually felt relief when considering that point of view… I never thought of it before … nothing evil , or “uncaring,” but rather ; naive , not appreciating the “time” factor.

But then I thought ; but what of reports or claims/beliefs that one’s soul travels at night ; makes decisions ; leaves the body ; etc .. wouldn’t the soul then realize the “time” factor and then bail? And if so, is that what happens with those who commit suicide ? But then why would or should a soul suffer for a lifetime ? What more could it gain compared to say even, 25 years of suffering . Raises more questions to me .

[Ninshub]

I think in a more general sense you can say that (the naiveté of the spirit) about a lot of the people who report pre-birth memories, whether through always having had them, gotten them later through meditation, or accessed that knowledge through an NDE or another transcendent experience. Like Christian Sundberg, who as a spirit meets another being - "I want what you have", "well you have to go the physical", "OK, I want to do that", "Are you sure? It's gonna be really hard". And he explained how in one of those incarnations in a fetus he freaked out and bolted when he felt how hard it was.

The narrative is much like you're going through a ride that you regret as soon as you're in! Maybe some of us have had that experience here, whether on a scary rollercoaster as a kid or on a gruesome climbing or outdoor trip, whatever. Or deciding to have a relationship with someone because you find them very attractive or appealing for some reason even though you feel they have a lot of problems and it's probably going to be painful and hard at the end. (Which, when I think about it, having had that, I wonder if the stronger pull or curiosity there "against reason" isn't indicative of an experience we're meant to have, or chose to have rather pre-birth - painful but ultimately potentially transformative.)

This podcast (Love Covered Life podcast) has several interviewees who have pre-birth memories, because the host has them.

Here's another one where the pre-birth memories are at the start of the interview. Again it's (to quote, at 5:55) "Hey I want do to that too! So nonchalant - that looks cool, let's do it".

I REMEMBER volunteering for an INSANELY DIFFICULT life on earth! PRE-BIRTH Memory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMW9sDxiYvI