Consciousness during CPR

Number wise surely. Van Lommel's study was very good in that regard.

I just can't accept the rest as true when it never happens in a controlled environement. 

I have two explainations for this in mind:
1) NDEs aren't supernatural, so they are a mix of false memories, investigator bias, external stimuli got during CPR and more.
2) some force is keeping us from having a true, certified "hit" in controlled environement. As crazy as it sounds, I find this option possible. getting validated and bulletproof NDEs would shake up the world so much, having actual proof of afterlife, that it would cause enormous change. Maybe someone "up there" doesn't want it? Who knows.

In Parnia's first aware study, no one had an out of body experience in a research area, so of course no one could see the target.

In this second study, we just don't know if any of those four patients (who had NDE's) had an out of body experience, let alone one that put them in a position to see the laptop. We need to wait until he's got OBE's into double figures.   

False memories  doesn't wash. The patient's memories are of things that actually occurred and can be verified. Investigator bias ? I don't think any serious sceptic thinks that is a reasonable objection, Raff. If the investigators are biased then why haven't they exaggerated their data or altered it, maybe telling us that they've had a hit when they haven't.

External stimuli doesn't explain how patients can see round corners. This has already been checked and tested with control groups of patients who didn't have near death out of body experiences.

Well I totally agree with you, it’s accepted that burst suppression shouldn’t allow the patient to have *any* experience. But it’s not accurate to call the EEG flat during Burst Supression, when the EEG characteristic of “...burst-suppression-burst-suppression...” is what gives Burst Suppression it’s name.

We've been through this before, Max. When neurosurgeons refer to a patient being under burst suppression, they mean complete suppression of electrical activity. The pattern doesn't have to be a straight flat line without any spikes for them to refer to it as flat brainwaves.

The burst suppression ratio measures the amount of time within an interval spent in the suppressed state.[10] This ratio increases as the brain becomes increasingly inactive until the brain's EEG signal flatlines, represented by a burst suppression ratio equal to 1.[17] Because of the direct relationship between burst suppression ratio and brain inactivity, the ratio is an indicator of suppression intensity.[10] 

I asked the chairman (years ago) of one of the biggest neurological institutes.

Is it possible to produce  a flat line (EEG) by using the very deepest method of anaesthesia, as was used in the treatment of basilar aneurysm?...without the blood being drained from the head ?

He said,  (summary) Yes, we can produce complete suppression of electrical activity without interrupting blood flow.  

Email can be supplied for Ian or Laird to see if required.

Pam was apparently in pharmacological Burst Suppression at the time she heard the conversation according to Spetzler... that means cycling periods of burst... suppression... burst... suppression... If Spetzler has changed his mind on that, let us know.

I don't know what (fast one) you're trying to pull, Max. She was in the deepest anaesthetic state possible (without killing her) from thiopental barbiturate which is of course pharmacological. And that doesn't allow equal bursts with equal suppression. It's mainly suppression with just a small ratio of burst.

There wouldn't be much point in inadequate burst suppression, would there. Patients are monitored as well, to make sure that the drug has done the job.

Let me see if this will clear it up for you :

Therapy (barbiturate, propofol, or halogenated anesthetic) is titrated to an electroencephalographic (cEEG) endpoint. Complete pharmacologic suppression results in a flat-line EEG. Typically, a 1:10 burst to suppression ratio is chosen as an arbitrary endpoint, but this is neither evidence based nor a universal practice. In other words, a 10 second screen of EEG would have 1 second of burst activity and 9 seconds of flat-line EEG. Optimal dosing is unknown and there is no evidence base to guide therapy (6).

https://www.openanesthesia.org/burst_suppression/

For 2) if you hide the visual targets, nobody is going to see them. That’s about all the force you need.

So how did Laurin Bellg's patient see the room and it's contents which was directly above the room where he had his cardiac arrest ?

Yep, Pam was in... burst... suppression... burst... suppression...

Nope, sorry Max. Lets have it right.

She was in..burst..suppression..suppression..suppression..suppression..supression..suppression..supression..supression..supression..burst..suppression..suppression..suppression..suppression..supression..suppression..supression..supression..supression..burst..

Did you not care to read the post I made above ^

In other words, a 10 second screen of EEG would have 1 second of burst activity and 9 seconds of flat-line EEG

It's not secret and hidden is it?

You mean all the patients that came into the hospital knew that there was a training station above the intensive care unit ? And they could also see into it ?