Commentary thread for tim's "NDE's" thread

I might add that that wasn't what I was trying to express at all. My idea was simply to take life a little less seriously, not go round saying "I'm so glad!" every five minutes.

Totally understood.

Given the choice I’d probably prefer to spend time with the rather unbelievably positive Pollyanna rather than the quite believable Eeyore, the depressed donkey. In my world there’s a hell of a lot more Eeyore’s than there are Pollyanna’s. 

They say we’re not forced to come back here. At this point I’d say that’s a good thing. 

In February 2006, David Ditchfield, a former professional guitarist and songwriter, was saying his goodbyes to a departing friend at Huntington station in Cambridgeshire. As the train moved slowly away, his sheepskin jacket accidentally became stuck in the automatic doors and he was dragged along down the side of the carriage and then right down under the train's wheels where miraculously he survived what should have been certain death. 

He sustained serious injuries including the severing of the lower part of his left arm. Whilst in the hospital he evidently experienced a profound NDE which inspired him to begin painting and also composing classical music which was quite unlike anything he had previously created. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwEdSy21skc

This short video will lead you to a link where you can read about David's experience and also view some of his very striking work.

Fascinating. Thanks Tim.

In February 2006, David Ditchfield, a former professional guitarist and songwriter, was saying his goodbyes to a departing friend at Huntington station in Cambridgeshire. As the train moved slowly away, his sheepskin jacket accidentally became stuck in the automatic doors and he was dragged along down the side of the carriage and then right down under the train's wheels where miraculously he survived what should have been certain death. 

He sustained serious injuries including the severing of the lower part of his left arm. Whilst in the hospital he evidently experienced a profound NDE which inspired him to begin painting and also composing classical music which was quite unlike anything he had previously created. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwEdSy21skc

This short video will lead you to a link where you can read about David's experience and also view some of his very striking work.

I was disappointed when looking for a podcast that features David’s Nde in detail. After all, Raymond Moody said that it was outstanding. “DIVINE LIGHT is one of the most gripping accounts of a near-death experience that I have read. “
The after effects may be outstanding, but was the actual experience ? Am I missing something?

Fascinating. Thanks Tim.

Thanks, Obiwan I'm glad you liked it.

I was disappointed when looking for a podcast that features David’s Nde in detail. After all, Raymond Moody said that it was outstanding. “DIVINE LIGHT is one of the most gripping accounts of a near-death experience that I have read. “
The after effects may be outstanding, but was the actual experience ? Am I missing something?

I'll see what I can find, Stan. Did you read the short newspaper article which gives a brief description (of his NDE) ? This radio interview is interesting.

https://soundcloud.com/life-music-14/bbc...-interview

I'll see what I can find, Stan. Did you read the short newspaper article which gives a brief description (of his NDE) ? This radio interview is interesting.

https://soundcloud.com/life-music-14/bbc...-interview

Thanks Tim. I thought that this interview would be the hour long one that is mentioned elsewhere, that’s why I was disappointed, as it’s a bit hurried.

One thing that struck me and actually resonated a lot was in the written description of his accident when he talks about knowing he’d been very badly injured but just seeing the beautiful blue sky and simply thinking how grateful he was to be able to do so. 

“Above me, I could see the beautiful blue sky, and I just remember thinking what a lovely winters day it was and being so grateful to see it.”

That to me, is all that needs to be said. 

Thanks Tim. I thought that this interview would be the hour long one that is mentioned elsewhere, that’s why I was disappointed, as it’s a bit hurried.

One thing that struck me and actually resonated a lot was in the written description of his accident when he talks about knowing he’d been very badly injured but just seeing the beautiful blue sky and simply thinking how grateful he was to be able to do so. 

“Above me, I could see the beautiful blue sky, and I just remember thinking what a lovely winters day it was and being so grateful to see it.”

That to me, is all that needs to be said. 

No worries, Stan. I think they meant "part of" an hour long radio programme and I think the 10 minute interview is probably just that. Yes, it's also strange how being seriously hurt or coming close to death can make us value what we have (this life) the blue sky etc etc. That was mentioned by Jackie Nink Phlug as she lay on the tarmac after being shot in the head and left for dead after the Malta hijacking (she had an NDE)

When they see this other world, whatever it is, when they are in that situation, it seems to be something so inviting that they are willing to let go even of the beauty of this place, which is hard to reduce down to tricks of the brain and hallucination IMHO. 

Personally, my boggle factor starts to become exceeded when I hear about spiritual "beings" laying hands on the subject's astral body (as I think David is reporting ?) but we're getting more and more of these reports. Tricia Barker for instance. As I understand it, his arm should have been lost and yet it recovered to some degree so that it could be saved. I'm blowed if I know what's going on, Stan.

Edit: Just to add, I don't think David Ditchfield (I don't know him but I knew of  him previously) is the type of guy who would fall prey to self delusion personally so something very out of the ordinary seems to have occurred. The paintings are very competent for someone who's never done any art work of any measure, unless he's lying and I don't think he is.

No worries, Stan. I think they meant "part of" an hour long radio programme and I think the 10 minute interview is probably just that. Yes, it's also strange how being seriously hurt or coming close to death can make us value what we have (this life) the blue sky etc etc. That was mentioned by Jackie Nink Phlug as she lay on the tarmac after being shot in the head and left for dead after the Malta hijacking (she had an NDE)

When they see this other world, whatever it is, when they are in that situation, it seems to be something so inviting that they are willing to let go even of the beauty of this place, which is hard to reduce down to tricks of the brain and hallucination IMHO. 

Personally, my boggle factor starts to become exceeded when I hear about spiritual "beings" laying hands on the subject's astral body (as I think David is reporting ?) but we're getting more and more of these reports. Tricia Barker for instance. As I understand it, his arm should have been lost and yet it recovered to some degree so that it could be saved. I'm blowed if I know what's going on, Stan.

Edit: Just to add, I don't think David Ditchfield (I don't know him but I knew of  him previously) is the type of guy who would fall prey to self delusion personally so something very out of the ordinary seems to have occurred. The paintings are very competent for someone who's never done any art work of any measure, unless he's lying and I don't think he is.

I’m sure he is genuine too. And it’s really quite amazing that his paintings and music are of a very high quality, well, I think his paintings are special for someone that wasn’t trained. 

Funnily enough I’m not that wowed by the actions of the beings he encountered. It seems to me that they are able to do things we can’t, to be things we aren’t, at least in this vibration. It’s just the way things are. 

I’m a tough crowd! 

I’m sure he is genuine too. And it’s really quite amazing that his paintings and music are of a very high quality, well, I think his paintings are special for someone that wasn’t trained. 

Funnily enough I’m not that wowed by the actions of the beings he encountered. It seems to me that they are able to do things we can’t, to be things we aren’t, at least in this vibration. It’s just the way things are. 

I’m a tough crowd! 

I've emailed him to try to get a couple of questions answered. I doubt very much I'll get a reply, though he's probably received thousands (of emails).

it always makes me a little sad when someone says they think its just an inherent thing that people on that side can do things but people here just plain can't.

I don't think I could functioned if I believed anything was absolutely impossible. Would make all effort worthless.