Coming back after an NDE, to choose or not to choose

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I remember a story that I came across, maybe two years ago, I cannot recall where, about an individual who had an NDE, was told that it was not their time, came back, apparently talked about it or mentioned it briefly, and then died, (for good) , within half an hour later.

I was troubled by this because I thought how could it not be his time but then 30 minutes later , it is. And I thought maybe the "message" or "validation" , so to speak, was for the person who heard his story when he awoke from his initial NDE and spoke of it, or maybe time is "different" over "there," so 30 min is irrelevant, but I thought I was stretching rationale.

But then I came across an NDE from NDERF's website, from Amy B, on 5/26/24, and she dies in a car accident and told to go back, then within "minutes" while being pushed through the hospital by paramedics, has another NDE and is told she has a choice as to whether to stay or go. 

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I don't personally think the "not your time" aspect of NDEs is overly important. Culturally, IIRC, in Asian NDEs a lot of times rather than being told you have to go back someone is instead told there was clerical error in the books of fate.

So I think this aspect of the NDE could, just like the religious figures seen, be something the person's mind places over whatever actually is told or could even just be made up by their own mind.

I think the major important parts of NDEs - at least from an evidential standpoint - are the veridical aspects and the hyper-real experience during a time when the brain activity is lessened.
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There are lots of different ideas I have which are all interacting, there isn't a straightforward way to understand any of this. Still, I think primarily I'd view our lives here as somewhat fragile and subject to all the imperfections of the physical world.

For some reason I'm veering a little off-topic with a thought about the Indian Tsunami of 2004 (the Boxing Day Tsunami). I recall it being very shocking and disturbing, hundreds of thousands of people died in that event. One survivor's story stuck in my mind a little. He said he had prayed and his faith was strong which is how he accounted for having survived. I'm sure in his shoes I would likely have said the same thing. But it struck me as somehow not possible to extrapolate from that and conclude that all the others were not praying just as fervently.

What this has in common with NDEs is that not everything can be given a spiritual or deeper significance. There are times when whether we live or die is simply down to the physical circumstances of the body or the environment.

Perhaps unrelated but worth considering is also the big unknown, we don't have any NDE accounts where a person is given a free choice of whether to return to the body or to remain in that other realm, and they choose to stay (there). Simply, that information is unavailable to us.
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