Looks like this thread was accidentally posted twice?
Wrong forum? But anyway:
Unless someone has a mathematical description of "red", and a mathematical way to be sure your "red" isn't my "green", seems to even start mathematical modeling of consciousness is hopeless.
But then mathematical descriptions concern relations not relata so this isn't surprising, physics which rests on math cannot tell us about things in themselves.
From the end of Smolin's Time Reborn:
"We don't know what a rock really is, or an atom, or an electron. We can only observe how they interact with other things and thereby describe their relational properties. Perhaps everything has external and internal aspects. The external properties are those that science can capture and describe - through interactions, in terms of relationships. The internal aspect is the intrinsic essence, it is the reality that is not expressible in the language of interactions and relations. Consciousness, whatever it is, is an aspect of the intrinsic essence of brains."
As some of the interlocutors on that thread note, the best you can do is akin to what Hoffman does which is present a representation of conscious agents acting but not actually modeling consciousness itself. That or look to measure the correlates.
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'
- Bertrand Russell
If the existence of a thing is indistinguishable from its nonexistence, we say that thing does not exist. ---Yahzi
(2019-03-04, 09:56 PM)Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Wrote: https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blo...98b104158d
~~ Paul
Do you know what's going on with IIT?
I recall they were trying to create treatments from its principle ideas?
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'
- Bertrand Russell
(2019-03-04, 10:11 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: Do you know what's going on with IIT?
I recall they were trying to create treatments from its principle ideas?
I don't know much about its current state. I know that calculations of Phi are usually intractable, so there is work on coming up with simplified but representative measures.
Here is an interesting application:
http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/5/198/198ra105
~~ Paul
If the existence of a thing is indistinguishable from its nonexistence, we say that thing does not exist. ---Yahzi
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