A splendid video about evolution

… ID didn't simply imply Yaweh the god of the Jews, or Jesus Christ, or the Holy Ghost!

David

Agreed. It only imply God.

Agreed. It only imply God.

Not even God really, depending on how one defines the term?

ID + Cosmic Fine Tuning could be a sign of aliens, or that we are in some kind of Simulation, after all...

Agreed. It only imply God.

Not even that!

Suppose for example, that we are all spirits and that it is in fact the case that time either does not exist, or can be somehow circumvented - as we gather from many NDE's.

In that case, it could be that a group of these spirits got together to work on a project to take a planet and put life on it so that the spirits could explore becoming embodied in their biochemical structures. Maybe the reason this was done is not unrelated to the way some people spend hours in computer generated worlds - as in the film Life 2.0!

They would soon realise that life needed to use a universal code to work on constructing biology, just as we need a code - language oral and written - to do many of the things we want to do. Assuming these spirits were much like us - neither omniscient, nor omnipotent - they would have to create life bit by bit!

I imagine them creating blueprints of the first simple proteins, but then realising building protein molecules atom by atom would be impossibly arduous. They needed to start the process off by making some protein molecules the hard way, and someone came up with a blueprint for DNA.

Together with the ribosomes, that would be an arduous job, but the result would be that they could specify new proteins using strings of DNA, and get them made with no more mental effort. I imagine the spirits got pretty damn excited at that point.

I have seen suggestions that the genetic code originally had only 2 bases to code for each amino acid residue. With the conventional theory of how life developed, that is basically impossible.


I think there was something like an angst-ridden spiritual software development conference.
A lot of tedious changes would be needed, but the result was so much better!

People had to tweak their blueprints in many places to obtain the switch to a 3-base code. This would be something like compilers had to be tweaked to move from 32-bit architectures to 64-bit ones - tough but doable.

I don't suppose they ever proposed to use RM+NS for much, except to tweak systems up. They had a much better approach - if someone developed something really clever, like the structure of the mammalian eye, that would just be remembered and copied into whatever someone was working on - the concept of convergent evolution would not be needed.

In fact people just like us could do it once we got the ideas (and maybe the funding).

I'll elaborate that idea if you become interested

David

Not even that!

Suppose for example, that we are all spirits and that it is in fact the case that time either does not exist, or can be somehow circumvented - as we gather from many NDE's.

In that case, it could be that a group of these spirits got together to work on a project to take a planet and put life on it so that the spirits could explore becoming embodied in their biochemical structures. Maybe the reason this was done is not unrelated to the way some people spend hours in computer generated worlds - as in the film Life 2.0!

They would soon realise that life needed to use a universal code to work on constructing biology, just as we need a code - language oral and written - to do many of the things we want to do. Assuming these spirits were much like us - neither omniscient, nor omnipotent - they would have to create life bit by bit!

I imagine them creating blueprints of the first simple proteins, but then realising building protein molecules atom by atom would be impossibly arduous. They needed to start the process off by making some protein molecules the hard way, and someone came up with a blueprint for DNA.

Together with the ribosomes, that would be an arduous job, but the result would be that they could specify new proteins using strings of DNA, and get them made with no more mental effort. I imagine the spirits got pretty damn excited at that point.

I have seen suggestions that the genetic code originally had only 2 bases to code for each amino acid residue. With the conventional theory of how life developed, that is basically impossible.


I think there was something like an angst-ridden spiritual software development conference.
A lot of tedious changes would be needed, but the result was so much better!

People had to tweak their blueprints in many places to obtain the switch to a 3-base code. This would be something like compilers had to be tweaked to move from 32-bit architectures to 64-bit ones - tough but doable.

I don't suppose they ever proposed to use RM+NS for much, except to tweak systems up. They had a much better approach - if someone developed something really clever, like the structure of the mammalian eye, that would just be remembered and copied into whatever someone was working on - the concept of convergent evolution would not be needed.

In fact people just like us could do it once we got the ideas (and maybe the funding).

I'll elaborate that idea if you become interested

David

But now you insist that I accept the existence of immaterial spirits! 😄 the idea that we’re composed of a non‑physical substance secretly pulling the strings of our bodies—yet leaving absolutely no trace in our lived experience—strikes me as utterly inconceivable. I find the hypothesis of an omnipotent God a far more coherent account of consciousness and purpose.

But now you insist that I accept the existence of immaterial spirits! 😄 the idea that we’re composed of a non‑physical substance secretly pulling the strings of our bodies—yet leaving absolutely no trace in our lived experience—strikes me as utterly inconceivable. I find the hypothesis of an omnipotent God a far more coherent account of consciousness and purpose.

The body is just part of the lived experience of the spirit.

But now you insist that I accept the existence of immaterial spirits! 😄 the idea that we’re composed of a non‑physical substance secretly pulling the strings of our bodies—yet leaving absolutely no trace in our lived experience—strikes me as utterly inconceivable. I find the hypothesis of an omnipotent God a far more coherent account of consciousness and purpose.

Wouldn't it be more constructive to outline how you see this problem being resolved?

I mean here you have the problem that the code for a new protein (say) is supposed to have evolved by a sequence of mutations interspersed by frequent selection events - the usual story. However the problem is that the code for a protein is essentially useless if it differs by more than two or three (that is being generous) codons from the working protein. Beyond that, the DNA string does not confer any benefit on the organism, but wastes some resource making a useless product. So evolution by RM+NS cannot happen. That is the main argument of the proponents of DI.

If you don't refute that argument, you don't have many plausible explanations, because you have to invoke the operation of a fairly high-grade intelligence before any organisms existed!

I think the concept of multiple spiritual designers is a better explanation than 'God' because I think omnipotence and/or omniscience are both infinite, and I'd rather leave infinite quantities out of any explanation.

Also my explanation is more general - it doesn't rule out the possibility that there is a God.

David

The body is just part of the lived experience of the spirit.

but why then do we have no memory of the first two years of our life?

but why then do we have no memory of the first two years of our life?

Some have reported very early memories ~ a few report recalling being in the womb or being born

but why then do we have no memory of the first two years of our life?

I think the complete narrative about human life almost certainly includes the concept that we are training in some way - rather like going to the gym, but to work, we can't know the whole truth - so some things are screened off. That way we live this life - not just knowingly play a game.

It is interesting that this screening doesn't seem to be total.

David

but why then do we have no memory of the first two years of our life?

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