(2020-11-25, 06:16 PM)nbtruthman Wrote: Could you explain how Darwinism being true, that is, a meaningless goalless undirected mechanical semi-random process having created Man and all other life forms purely from the outworking of the laws of nature, does not imply that materialism is true, all notions of a spiritual realm are fantasy, and life is meaningless? Remember, thoroughgoing Darwinism being true means that not only is this true for the physical body, but evolutionary psychology is also true. All human emotions, moralities, built-in psychological characteristics, spiritual and religious feelings and aspirations, altruism, love, compassion, etc. etc. originated by the Darwinian mechanism of random genetic variation combined with natural selection. This is everything that is Man.
How is it that all the spokesmen and propagandists and zealots for Darwinism interpret Darwinism being true in the way Provine did? Surely they should know the implications of their own religiously held dogma.
I think "Darwinism" is just evolution without any direction, not even the "impersonal telic process" that Dembski says is one of the options for a "designer".
Does a child born as an accidental pregnancy mean the child's entire life must be held as meaningless? If one says such a child's life can be meaningful, why not the entire human race?
I think one can believe our origins are due to chance mutations while also rejecting materialism.
"We are a blind contingency,
an unimportant restlessness of dirt
and yet Rossetti paints his dead Elizabeth,
head tilted back on her impossibly slim throat,
eyes closed against the golden light surrounding her.
Clay looks on clay, and understands that it is beautiful.
Through us, the cosmos gazes upon itself, adores itself, breaks its own heart.
Through us, matter stares slack-jawed at its own star-dusted countenance
and knows, incredulously, that it knows.
And knows that it is universe.""
-Alan Moore, Snakes and Ladders
Also Fine Tuning could be true in the cosmological sense while ID at the biological level can be false, suggesting a Deist or Pantheist God.
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'
- Bertrand Russell
(This post was last modified: 2020-11-25, 07:21 PM by Sciborg_S_Patel.)
- Bertrand Russell