Renaming the "Skeptic vs. Proponent Discussions" subforum

Under materialism, life has meaning and is worthwhile. I think what you are referring to is that the sort of meaning you hope for is not to be found under materialism. Similarly, the sort of meaning I hope for is not to be found under idealism. However, I hope I am tolerant and sensitive enough not to put down idealism because of that.

Linda

Oh, life can be worthless under certain kinds of Idealism. I'm referring specifically to what [modern] Materialists in general claim about their position - there's no free will, no transcendent values/morals, and it all ends in oblivion.

Some Idealists believe similarly, or at least [hold] 1-2 out of those three negations of worthwhile life. (I don't think you need all three personally.)

It does get a bit tricky, because the ancient Greeks and Asians at least had different ideas of "matter" and "materialism". I guess I could say Mechanistic-Materialism, or Reductionist-Materialism means life is worthless. Similarly Mechanistic-Idelaism where we all dissolve into the One Mind would also make life worthless, at least as we usually define a life of worth.

edit: Note I told Bernardo I think his own reading of the free will question didn't seem to offer the possibility of a meaningful life but this was years ago so not sure he still holds to that view.