2024-02-04, 12:29 PM
Here is an paper I found by a materialist philosopher that admits that there are no rational reason to be a materialist.
https://www.newdualism.org/papers/W.Lycan/Du.htm
https://www.newdualism.org/papers/W.Lycan/Du.htm
(2024-02-04, 12:29 PM)Wanderer Wrote: [ -> ]Here is an paper I found by a materialist philosopher that admits that there are no rational reason to be a materialist.
https://www.newdualism.org/papers/W.Lycan/Du.htm
(2024-02-04, 01:54 PM)Brian Wrote: [ -> ]I think that anybody who is being totally honest with themselves has to admit that their position, whichever side of the fence they are on, might be based on evidence and reasoning, but at the end of the day involves a not insubstantial step of faith.
(2024-02-04, 05:24 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]Religions require faith, but lack the comprehensive consideration of evidence that parapsychology gives us.
(2024-02-04, 01:54 PM)Brian Wrote: [ -> ]I think that anybody who is being totally honest with themselves has to admit that their position, whichever side of the fence they are on, might be based on evidence and reasoning, but at the end of the day involves a not insubstantial step of faith.
(2024-02-04, 09:48 PM)David001 Wrote: [ -> ]No, I think that:
1) There is at least one mechanism by which the mental can interact with the physical, spelled out by the physicist Henry Stapp.
2) There seems to be a rich source of reports of various kinds that require some form of Dualism. They all seem to be argued down rather than taken seriously. Above all, this means that no serious effort is made to harden up research results.
3) A shedload of observations in books such as "Irreducible Mind" presents a mountain of evidence that can't be explained materialistically.
It is important to accept that experimental sciences can only disprove certain ideas, they can never prove an idea. For example, consider an experiment to prove Ohm's law, that the current flowing through a resistor is proportional to the voltage across it, or in a more general way I=V/R. Everyone has done this at school and obtained a straight line graph. However, suppose that the current varied in an osscillatory way with voltage, but the measurement points happened to be points that lay on a straight line! That may sound extremely unlikely, but that is my point - every empirical scientific test of an idea can only provide finite support for that idea - never a proof.
I think this is relevant here because it means that in science you shouldn't invent a sequence of increasingly implausible proposals to try to escape a conclusion that you do not like. Holding on to Materialism despite all the evidence seems to me to be exactly that kind of mistake.
David
(2024-02-04, 05:53 PM)Brian Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree with this statement on the grounds of personal experience having experienced both types of evidence. My experience is that both are as prolific but religious evidence is qualitatively superior to the experiencer if more difficult to explain to others.
(2024-02-04, 12:29 PM)Wanderer Wrote: [ -> ]Here is an paper I found by a materialist philosopher that admits that there are no rational reason to be a materialist.David Chalmers I believe said that no metaphysical position is viable but materialism is slightly less than all the others
https://www.newdualism.org/papers/W.Lycan/Du.htm
(2024-02-05, 12:26 AM)LotusFlower Wrote: [ -> ]David Chalmers I believe said that no metaphysical position is viable but materialism is slightly less than all the others