Psience Quest

(2017-08-31, 03:16 PM)Chris Wrote: [ -> ]I can't understand why the men in the top pictures didn't just each hold one of the medium's wrists, then he'd have been stumped!

Seems like this information could be a bit out of date, wouldn't you say? 

This was done almost before photography for god sake. 

I'm thinking those lessons were learned and protocols corrected close to 100 years ago.

I would paste a picture of the Wright Flyer and point out the mistakes in aerodynamic design, but figured the point is too obvious to need amplification.

(2017-08-31, 03:23 PM)jkmac Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like this information could be a bit out of date, wouldn't you say? 

Yes - I didn't realise the "medium" in the pictures is actually Houdini!
https://books.google.com/books?id=aycDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA12

(2017-08-31, 03:48 PM)Chris Wrote: [ -> ]Yes - I didn't realise the "medium" in the pictures is actually Houdini!
https://books.google.com/books?id=aycDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA12

OK. So it was a joke. Sorry,,, right over my head I guess. 

(2017-08-31, 04:15 PM)jkmac Wrote: [ -> ]OK. So it was a joke. Sorry,,, right over my head I guess. 

Maybe it was a joke on Leuders's part. I don't know.

I was tempted to make a kind of joke by saying "Is that a luminous button on the end of a collapsible rod, or are you just pleased to see me?" But thankfully I managed to resist the temptation.

Here is one of my favorites.



It is a hammer head on a needle attached to the knee to levitate tables.



Far left is magician Joseph Dunninger with a hook device for levitating tables.



There was also a trick with a slotted ring and pin.

All these methods were used in physical mediumship to move tables.

(2017-08-31, 03:48 PM)Chris Wrote: [ -> ]Yes - I didn't realise the "medium" in the pictures is actually Houdini!
https://books.google.com/books?id=aycDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA12

Yes it is taken from an old magazine piece that Harry Houdini wrote called "How I Unmask the Spirit Fakers".

Some of the others were from Hereward Carrington or Joseph Dunninger.

I feel like Prescott has dealt with a lot of this stuff on his blog? There are so many cases and one has to deal with the back & forth on a lot of this.

I'm pretty neutral on physical mediumship since I've not witnessed it nor have I looked into it deeply.

(2017-08-31, 04:50 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]I feel like Prescott has dealt with a lot of this stuff on his blog? There are so many cases and one has to deal with the back & forth on a lot of this.

I'm pretty neutral on physical mediumship since I've not witnessed it nor have I looked into it deeply.

I'm trying to arrange to attend a demonstration. 

They are out there. But hard to find and hard to get in.

Of course you need to take what you see and decide. There are lots of way for fakers to fake. And sitting in a chair 10 feet away, you won't be able to employ any controls.

So if you are inclined not to believe, I suppose seeing it face to face probably won't convince you.

(2017-08-31, 04:57 PM)jkmac Wrote: [ -> ]I'm trying to arrange to attend a demonstration. 

They are out there. But hard to find and hard to get in.

Of course you need to take what you see and decide. There are lots of way for fakers to fake. And sitting in a chair 10 feet away, you won't be able to employ any controls.

So if you are inclined not to believe, I suppose seeing it face to face probably won't convince you.

Yeah I had planned to see a medium but timing didn't work out. 

My hope is to attend some seances in the future though.

(2017-08-31, 12:36 PM)Jim_Smith Wrote: [ -> ]more photos and provenance...

These photos by Sven Turk and others are made by making multiple exposures on the same film. So obvious from inspection they are fraudulent.

To answer the OP: yes I believe all physical mediumsship is fraud.